I loved the original equipment my 74 M-17 came with. However, between age and sailing in over-the-top wind conditions I had to replace everything except the storm sail. On the recommendation of group members I went to Ullman sails for new main, jib, and genoa and have not been sorry. Make sure you have the correct dimensions for your mast and forestay (measure twice). randy M-17 "Fore Play" ----- Original Message ----- From: <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:48 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 7
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Today's Topics:
1. Favorite Monty sailmaker? (brian gilbert) 2. Re: Favorite Monty sailmaker? (Bill Tosh) 3. Re: Favorite Monty sailmaker? (Howard Audsley) 4. RE: Favorite Monty sailmaker? (gilbert landin) 5. Re: Favorite Monty sailmaker? (Gary M Hyde) 6. tongue extension (dmostue@comcast.net) 7. Re: Favorite Monty sailmaker? (Larry E Yake) 8. Re: tongue extension (George Burmeyer)
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:41:10 -0700 From: brian gilbert <hammerguy@bellsouth.net> Subject: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <C2B77AF6.F67%hammerguy@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi All:
Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced sails... who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local sailmakers in Chattanooga, TN)
I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've ordered from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and shape were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd prefer to spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising sail. I'm wondering who else I should seek quotes from.
Thanks very much BG
-- Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor Marine Media 3404 Hartford Dr Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com
From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Reply-To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6
Hi Tom,
I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine.
Bones
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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:00:21 -0500 From: "Bill Tosh" <billt@eastex.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <004401c7c229$23262aa0$0101a8c0@tower> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Try T C Boats.com 903-743-5555 Rusk, TX. ----- Original Message ----- From: brian gilbert To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker?
Hi All:
Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced sails... who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local sailmakers in Chattanooga, TN)
I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've ordered from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and shape were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd prefer to spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising sail. I'm wondering who else I should seek quotes from.
Thanks very much BG
-- Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor Marine Media 3404 Hartford Dr Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com
From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Reply-To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6
Hi Tom,
I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine.
Bones
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Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:15:06 -0500 From: Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <c04676f4aaecc404314a2395e75e38e1@tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
In the past few years, I've purchased 4 new headsails and a new main.
My storm jib came from Ullman, San Diego. (Tom)
http://www.ullmansails.com/lofts.html#sandiego
My new 155 genny and asymmetrical spinnaker came from Elliot-Pattison, who I believe is Bob's sailmaker at present:
My full batten main and working jib came from Kern Ferguson, who I understood has retired and is no longer making sails.
Out of all of them, I think the Ullman sail was the best built, best performing.
Even so, Since I've owned the boat, I've gotten the best performance out of my original Reggie Armstrong main and working jib. Right up to the point the 20 year old sails blew out (literally). I still have them and would love to find someone to make me an exact replica....same size, same cut, same reinforcement points, etc.
With the old RA sails, I can remember being out in a good breeze with occasional whitecaps breaking and flying the full main and jib and doing 5.5 knots plus, going to weather, and heeled to maybe 15 degrees. With my current setup, I heel more at less speed and never get much over 5 knots to weather. A big part of it is the Kern sails are higher profile and I think cut flatter. The working jib goes all the way to the masthead and the main has some additional roach in it. It will hang on the backstay in light air.
On a related note, I was out over the weekend and flying the 155 and full main in light to moderate air (5 to 10 knots). I was sailing with a smaller boat and trying to slow down, I didn't crank the genny in tight and left the main soft (front half luffing). The slowing down part didn't work. I was sailing flat and doing 4 knots plus to weather and she was pointing nearly as high as ever. The lesson was to sail her "freed" up a bit.....I wasn't pointing as high, but with more speed and less leeway, I got to weather faster.
Howard M17, #278 Audasea
On Jul 9, 2007, at 7:41 AM, brian gilbert wrote:
Hi All:
Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced sails... who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local sailmakers in Chattanooga, TN)
I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've ordered from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and shape were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd prefer to spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising sail. I'm wondering who else I should seek quotes from.
Thanks very much BG
-- Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor Marine Media 3404 Hartford Dr Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com
From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Reply-To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6
Hi Tom,
I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine.
Bones
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Message: 4 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:32:52 -0500 From: "gilbert landin" <gilbert.landin@gmail.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <200707092232.l69MW7aK001509@ms-smtp-04.texas.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
TC boats did mine in Tan Bark, and I am quite pleased...For best results send in your old ones.
Gilbert
Sagitta M17 1974
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert.landin=gmail.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert.landin=gmail.com@mailman.xmission.c om] On Behalf Of brian gilbert Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:41 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker?
Hi All:
Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced sails... who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local sailmakers in Chattanooga, TN)
I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've ordered from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and shape were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd prefer to spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising sail. I'm wondering who else I should seek quotes from.
Thanks very much BG
-- Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor Marine Media 3404 Hartford Dr Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com
From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Reply-To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6
Hi Tom,
I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine.
Bones
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Message: 5 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:18:41 -0700 From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <291D6766-46B9-44B1-AD94-6D74F5853543@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
I'm very satisfied with the performance of the Elliott-Pattison sails that came with my 2005 M17. The roller-reefing genoa is cut so that I don't have to move the jib sheet turning block when I reef. Having trouble keeping the main slugs attached is the only down side.
--Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails.
On Jul 9, 2007, at 3:32 PM, gilbert landin wrote:
TC boats did mine in Tan Bark, and I am quite pleased...For best results send in your old ones.
Gilbert
Sagitta M17 1974
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces +gilbert.landin=gmail.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces +gilbert.landin=gmail.com@mailman.xmission.c om] On Behalf Of brian gilbert Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:41 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker?
Hi All:
Here's a request for opinions for those of you who have replaced sails... who is your favorite sailmaker who does mail-orders? (no local sailmakers in Chattanooga, TN)
I need to replace at least my main and possibly a jib as well. I've ordered from SailsEast before... the price was really good, and the cut and shape were fine, but the finish and handwork was pretty minimal. I'd prefer to spend a little more and get a well-built, longer lasting cruising sail. I'm wondering who else I should seek quotes from.
Thanks very much BG
-- Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor Marine Media 3404 Hartford Dr Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com
From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Reply-To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:44:18 -0600 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 53, Issue 6
Hi Tom,
I've raised my M17 off the trailer bunks using a floor jack and a cushioning 2" x 6" piece of lumber under the keel. Worked fine.
Bones
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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:09:19 +0000 From: dmostue@comcast.net Subject: M_Boats: tongue extension To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <071020070309.15498.4692F85F0003AF4300003C8A22165499760A9A9B9C01030B@comcast.net>
Hi all, I have a Trail-rite trailer and was wondering if any of you have added a tongue extension for your Trail-rite. What has been your experience? Thanks. Dan Mostue M15 #500
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Message: 7 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:31:37 -0700 From: Larry E Yake <leyake@juno.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Favorite Monty sailmaker? To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20070709.203137.3636.0.leyake@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I've had good luck with Yager Sails. www.yagersails.com He made my 150 roller furler genoa five years ago and it has been a great sail. This year I had him make me a new main and a 180 drifter. Both are quality made with attention to detail. Excellent foil shape. There are cheaper sailmakers out there, but I think he's worth the extra cost. A big plus for me is that he's only an hour away (in Spokane, Wa.) and we can discuss the details in person. If you want to see pictures of my sails, check out the various San Juan 2007 cruise photo sites that have been listed.
Larry
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Message: 8 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:47:55 -0700 From: George Burmeyer <gburmeyer@mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: tongue extension To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <0303BCFB-6665-42CD-805D-76A6EF119C3F@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
Dan,
I have a Trail-rite also, and one of the first things I did when I got my 15 was take the trailer to a commercial welder and have an extension built. They cut off the couple and tongue, welded on a hefty square tube about two feet long and made a seven foot hollow steel bar that slides into the tube where it is held in place by a standard half inch hitch pin. A new coupler was welded to one end of the sliding tongue. They did a nice job and returned it to me with all the parts painted to match the rest of the trailer, new safety chains, coupler and hitch pin. Cost about $400 U.S. parts and labor.
Procedure at the ramp is to deploy the jack (I use a swing-back model), block the wheels, unhitch the trailer, lights and safety chains, remove the hitch pin from the extension, pull the extension out and re-insert the hitch pin into a hole in the after end, hook up to the vehicle and swing the jack out of the way. I use a stout extra long dock line tied off to the bow cleat and tied off to the truck for safety (no chains with tongue extended) and so I can unhook the winch from the bow eye and control the boat dry-footed as it floats off. Pretty straightforward really and sounds more complicated than it is. All this only takes about ten minutes extra.
It is best to rig the boat with the tongue in its road position to avoid strain on the extension. Also I do not recommend jumping into the stern of the boat while it is on the trailer with the tongue extended as this can exert enough force to pop the coupler off the hitch ball. Do not ask me how I know this.
I always remove the tongue when the boat is put away in the garage. It stows neatly out of the way on the trailer cross members and gives an extra foot of clearance. It also avoids any possibility of the extension rusting tight in the tube.
All said, I am very happy with this mod. It is simple and elegant and has allowed me to sail off shallow ramps and retrieve at low tides while keeping my truck out of the brine.
Cheers
George "Haiku" 1986 M15 #385 Santa Rosa, CA
On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:09 PM, dmostue@comcast.net wrote:
Hi all, I have a Trail-rite trailer and was wondering if any of you have added a tongue extension for your Trail-rite. What has been your experience? Thanks. Dan Mostue M15 #500
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