In smooth water, if you have good sails and the boat is tuned well, you should be able to beat 50 degrees. Obviously good sails are critical, and so is mast rake. Plenty of info out there on mast rake. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaas" <santaklaas@telus.net> To: "Montgomery boats groups" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:36 AM Subject: M_Boats: How close to the wind Hi I know all I'll be showing is how little I know about these boats, But how close can you sail a 1985 15 , I'm finding that I'm having a hard time at about mid fifty degrees . Is this just a first year sailor's lack of experience . Or I'm I doing something wrong . I know there is probably a thread on this list about it but I can't find it Thanks in advance you all are a great resource KLaas -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 6981 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen