Hi Larry, Are you on Harken's payroll? Seriously though your response gives me everything I need to make a decision. The 2734 is a set up exactly as you have yours with the exception that they don't allow adjustment without releasing the other side unlike the windward option. Your description of dumping wind by letting the traveler down confirms that it is worth spending the money for the limited travel distance on the cockpit floor. I have been discussing with Tom my experience with mostly racing boats stating that if we were racing the travelers would be mounted on the cockpit seats spanning the whole cockpit width and I was not sure how much adjustment was possible with just the cockpit floor. Sounds like you are happy with the amount of adjustment available from just the cockpit floor so I think I am ready to pony up the money for the windward traveler arrangement. I am $100 ahead because of my hula dancing skills but I would be willing to do more hula to save more money on this instillation. I guess that is not possible until next year's Havasu event. Thanks for your input Larry! Jim -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Larry E Yake Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:41 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: travelers Hi Jim, I haven't been able to find item #2734 to see exactly what you're referring to, but I think what is throwing you off on my installation is that I didn't install the optional 3:1 line system on my windward sheeting car. The blocks at the track ends have nothing to do with releasing the cleat on the low side of the car. That is accomplished right within the car itself. It has a sliding mechanism that automatically opens the low side cleat on the car when there is tension pulling on the mainsheet. That is the whole beauty of the system. At any time you can pull the car to windward just by pulling on the high side line. With the M17, the extra block on the end of the track isn't needed. The car pulls easily to windward even when the main sail is fully loaded with just the 2:1 system. You can also ease off and let the car drop down to the low side just by pulling the upper line out of the high side cleat. In a big puff you can spill the wind by pulling the high side line out of the windward car cleat and the traveller will drop to the low side, dumping the wind, without destroying your sail shape like if you released the main sheet. It's also very nice when you tack. If you have the car clear to windward while sailing, when you tack that becomes the low side, of course. The car will stay there when you come around, allowing you to adjust the jib sheets from the low side while there's not much tension on the main. Then you can get up to the high side before bringing the car up, so you aren't heeling the boat as much getting trimmed for the new tack. Hope this makes sense and helps. I think the system is great! The only downside is the price. Larry On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:31:41 -0800 "Jim Ellsworth" <j_ellsworth@earthlink.net> writes:
Hi Larry,
I have been talking with Tom about the traveler set ups and he sent me the link to the Monty site with the page on your boat and upgrades.
Could you clarify something for me, in looking at your pictures you appear to have the windward sheeting car (#2744) but it appears to be set up like the cam on car (#2734). On the Harken site it shows the windward sheeting car with a set of blocks at the track ends and somehow this allows you to pull the car to windward without letting off the cleat on the low side. So do you have to let the low side go to pull the car to windward? Based on the car having both cleats next to each other, I don't think I need the windward sheeting system and the two cars are over $100 difference in price so I want to make sure I get what will work the best for an M-17 application.
Thanks!
Jim E M-17 #603 Grace
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Larry E Yake Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:43 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: travelers
Tom, With the windward sheeting car you don't need any additional mechanical advantage. You can pull the car to windward easily with just the single block on the car itself. I would think a full range of travel is more important. Be sure to install the rubber stops at the ends of the track. The car really slams into the ends sometimes. Larry
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:03:45 -0800 Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> writes:
To Larry or anyone else who has a windward traveler setup on a 17 :
You all taught me a lot about the issues involved with this type of
gear, but my final choice is between a setup where the car goes all
the way to the stops, and one with fixed "end controls" for extra
mechanical advantage. Is the 2" or so lost on the latter
important
to everyday function?
Many thanks,
Tom Jenkins M17 #626 Scintilla
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