Well guys, I was inspecting my keel bottom gudgeon and it is definitely spider webbed. After all my groundings this season I am not surprised. My old kickup rudder has fiberglass checkplates and a fiberglass sheath for stability. It worked fine but was not very aerodynamic I could feel a definite difference between it and the stock solid rudder. But I am sure if the rudder works well for "How low can you go before being knocked down" Tom then its got to be tuff. So we will see. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Landin Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:08 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: New Kick up rudder Thanks Bill I did see Larrys pictures and comments and that certainly has my attention. I will continue my quest. Gilbert -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of BILLAMICASR@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:15 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Kick up rudder In a message dated 11/27/2005 8:08:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, gilbert@mindgame.com writes: I would like to hear from you guys that bought the new lighter material rudders from ida sailor Hi Gilbert, Larry Yake with his early M17 was the first to try the Idasailor rudder. There is a picture of the assembly on the Photo Site (link below). Larry helped develop the shape of the rudder which is like the original designed by Lyle Hess. I can say after the two week NW Cruise, Larry was very happy with performance and use. I think he may be the only M-Boater with one... My experience with them is from my past ownership of a Potter. Idasailor is the OEM rudder maker for all of the Potter craft. They may not put the blade to a test like real race craft, but then again with the winds of our SF Bay, they do get to see use. I lurk on the Trailer Sailor Forum on occasion and they (Potters) seem to be quite happy with the product. Good luck on your quest. Bill keeper of the Photo Site _www.msog.funtigo.com_ (http://www.msog.funtigo.com) Rudder Link _http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=197153&c=1789789&p=start&cr=1_ (http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=197153&c=1789789&p=start&cr=1) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats