Bottom paint is a pain in the hull on a Monty because of the hull shape and you won't bottom paint with 2 coats of barrier before painting the bottom. Be prepared to have to re-paint seasonally or every two seasons. This is the reason I sold my Precision 21 and move to a M15 which can live on a trailer. Good luck Rich and I sent you an e-mail on towing. Smiley M15 #616 Karen & Smiley Magoo252@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 2:00 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 150, Issue 12 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. My M15 in a slip? (Daniel Rich) 2. Re: My M15 in a slip? (Conbert Benneck) 3. Re: My M15 in a slip? (Robbin Roddewig) 4. Re: My M15 in a slip? (Dave Scobie) 5. Fwd: SARAH FARRAR liked your comment in "Weekend Getaway: The Best of Nantucket in Just Three Days" (Conbert Benneck) 6. Re: My M15 in a slip? (Daniel Rich) 7. bottom paint redux (Daniel Rich) 8. Re: My M15 in a slip? (Bill Wickett) 9. Re: My M15 in a slip? (Tyler Backman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:40:27 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: My M15 in a slip? Message-ID: <A4F55DC6-B23C-4BB9-84D1-47B949236385@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Montypals: I am currently building a SCAMP sailboat, so I have had to move my Monty over to a friend?s house for now. That got me to thinking that maybe now is the time to put the Monty in a slip at the local harbor. I don?t have any antifouling paint on the bottom of the boat. Would the boat be OK for 3-4 months that way? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 07:22:44 -0500 From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: My M15 in a slip? Message-ID: <55CF2F14.1000903@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 8/14/2015 11:40 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: Daniel, Critical question No. 1: - Fresh water or salt water? If it is fresh water, you should be fine for three or four months. You might grow a bit of algae, but when the boat is out of the water, you can remove it easily. If it you are in salt water - and depending on the water temperature - the main problem is barnacle growth; the warmer the water, the faster the growth. That is why you need anti-fouling paint on the bottom for salt water; to stop the barnacle growth, or if you had a wooden boat, toredo worms which make the bottom of the boat look like Swiss cheese. Connie
Montypals:
I am currently building a SCAMP sailboat, so I have had to move my Monty over to a friend?s house for now. That got me to thinking that maybe now is the time to put the Monty in a slip at the local harbor. I don?t have any antifouling paint on the bottom of the boat. Would the boat be OK for 3-4 months that way?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 09:59:14 -0400 From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: My M15 in a slip? Message-ID: <55CF45B2.30001@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi Daniel, probably not. We had a boat in fresh water every summer in the great lakes without fouling paint and we would clean off the hull with TSP every fall when it was hauled. It left a brown stain. I have my M-23 in a slip on the Chesapeake and it would never last 3-4 months that way untreated. Hard growth and soft would find it a great home. And hard growth is nasty to get completely off without damaging the hull finish. Good luck with the Scamp! I like the boat and have followed it through Small Craft Advisor. I like building boats (in classes mind you) and am really happy that this boat has led many to build boats. I think it is a great size for building and a very cool boat once done. I really do feel that in many ways the smaller the better. Robbin M-23 "Pinch me" Deale MD On 8/15/2015 12:40 AM, Daniel Rich wrote:
Montypals:
I am currently building a SCAMP sailboat, so I have had to move my Monty over to a friend?s house for now. That got me to thinking that maybe now is the time to put the Monty in a slip at the local harbor. I don?t have any antifouling paint on the bottom of the boat. Would the boat be OK for 3-4 months that way?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:47:47 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: My M15 in a slip? Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7A=Q02EUw5DbHOTARjei1HcOd-3kJfSTo69dmzj4qCiQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 No more than two or three weeks if in salt water. If in freshwater it depends on the local conditions. Have Sage 17s in freshwater around the country that require paint not only because the boat would have feet of growth on the bottom, but because of zebra mussels. Discuss with boat owners and yards at the marina you will be keeping the boat. Local conditions require local behaviour. This includes the type of bottom paint you use as some brands work better than others in different bodies of water and sometimes even in different marinas on the same bodies of water. More discussion and detail here - https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/bottom-paint-blues/ https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/antifouling-bottom-paint-sel ecting-bottom-paint/ https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/16/antifouling-bottom-paint-the -waterline/ :: Dave Scobie On Aug 14, 2015 10:40 PM, "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I am currently building a SCAMP sailboat, so I have had to move my Monty over to a friend?s house for now. That got me to thinking that maybe now is the time to put the Monty in a slip at the local harbor. I don?t have any antifouling paint on the bottom of the boat. Would the boat be OK for 3-4 months that way?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
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Please do not reply to this email directly but you may contact moderator@wsj.com <mailto:moderator@wsj.com> if you have questions. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:58:31 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: My M15 in a slip? Message-ID: <F58238F9-173C-4F0A-A4B9-141DC36D728D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hmm, sadness. I will be in salt water in Bodega Bay. Water is always about 52 degrees. OK, I will inquire about bottom paint for the boat. Daniel
On Aug 15, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
No more than two or three weeks if in salt water.
If in freshwater it depends on the local conditions. Have Sage 17s in freshwater around the country that require paint not only because the boat would have feet of growth on the bottom, but because of zebra mussels.
Discuss with boat owners and yards at the marina you will be keeping the boat. Local conditions require local behaviour. This includes the type of bottom paint you use as some brands work better than others in different bodies of water and sometimes even in different marinas on the same bodies of water.
More discussion and detail here -
https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/bottom-paint-blues/
https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/antifouling-bottom-paint-sel ecting-bottom-paint/
https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/16/antifouling-bottom-paint-the -waterline/
:: Dave Scobie On Aug 14, 2015 10:40 PM, "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I am currently building a SCAMP sailboat, so I have had to move my Monty over to a friend?s house for now. That got me to thinking that maybe now
is
the time to put the Monty in a slip at the local harbor. I don?t have any antifouling paint on the bottom of the boat. Would the boat be OK for 3-4 months that way?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 09:06:35 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: bottom paint redux Message-ID: <82F84E07-FE44-4731-8200-FF1CBC276E02@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OK, assuming now I need bottom paint, and I don?t want to do it myself, where in the SF Bay Area would be a good place to do it? I live in Sonoma County, but I could drop the boat off somewhere to do it. Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 13:05:24 -0400 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: My M15 in a slip? Message-ID: <778805FC-33CD-4FE2-AE30-5873F72018EC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Consider barrier coat under the anti fouling.
On Aug 15, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, sadness. I will be in salt water in Bodega Bay. Water is always about 52 degrees. OK, I will inquire about bottom paint for the boat.
Daniel
On Aug 15, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
No more than two or three weeks if in salt water.
If in freshwater it depends on the local conditions. Have Sage 17s in freshwater around the country that require paint not only because the boat would have feet of growth on the bottom, but because of zebra mussels.
Discuss with boat owners and yards at the marina you will be keeping the boat. Local conditions require local behaviour. This includes the type of bottom paint you use as some brands work better than others in different bodies of water and sometimes even in different marinas on the same bodies of water.
More discussion and detail here -
https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/bottom-paint-blues/
https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/antifouling-bottom-paint-sel ecting-bottom-paint/
https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/16/antifouling-bottom-paint-the -waterline/
:: Dave Scobie
On Aug 14, 2015 10:40 PM, "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I am currently building a SCAMP sailboat, so I have had to move my Monty over to a friend?s house for now. That got me to thinking that maybe now
is
the time to put the Monty in a slip at the local harbor. I don?t have any antifouling paint on the bottom of the boat. Would the boat be OK for 3-4 months that way?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:39:52 -0700 From: Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: My M15 in a slip? Message-ID: <036144AB-0F47-4477-B7C1-28A06C78BB81@usermail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You could also try a "boat bath" if the marina allows it. This is a tarp that fits under the boat, and is filled with fresh water or a small amount of bleach to keep anything from growing. You can make it from a normal hardware store tarp, if you cut it to shape and add new grommets. If you weigh it down with lead weights, it can stay in place while you are out boating, but you pull it up and tie it tight against the bottom of the boat when you are in the slip. Tyler
On Aug 14, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I am currently building a SCAMP sailboat, so I have had to move my Monty over to a friend?s house for now. That got me to thinking that maybe now is the time to put the Monty in a slip at the local harbor. I don?t have any antifouling paint on the bottom of the boat. Would the boat be OK for 3-4 months that way?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
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