Montypals: I have posted to this forum before with regards to the tongue weight of my Pacific trailer with my M15 on it. It weighs in at 180 pounds at the ball. So, I figured I would move the chassis relative to the trailer. First I needed an accurate weight of the two for a good estimate. So, today I went to a local truck scale and weight the boat and trailer without the car. Hard to believe, but the M15 plus trailer came in at 1620 pounds! That means my trailer must weigh close to 800 pounds. I can't believe it. The boat does not particularly have any extra weight from stock. It has a bow and stern pulpit, and a few odd and ends in the cockpit and cabin. I have a small anchor, some rode, sails, boom, a few cushions, boat hook, etc. All incidentals. I'm shocked by this. I will not need to change the tongue weight obviously, but it calls into question my tow vehicles. I have been towing the boat quite successfully for 2 years with my Honda Accord. Anybody else weigh one of these things? Somebody had one shipped east, and I gotta figure they had a weight of the boat and trailer? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com