In the shop we used a trailer dolly, which is a trailer ball mounted on a small set of wheels, with a T-handle. Worked great, even on 23's. Harbor Freight has a lighter version for 64.95 that looks like it would be fine for a 15 or 17, maybe more. An aside, I used to sail with the group in Tucson, AZ, mostly in Mexico, and several of them had an axle stub welded to the tongue of the trailer, near the front, and had a wheel and set of bearings mounted. Most but not all of these were on fixed keel boats which needed to be cabled into deep water, and the tongue wheel would keep them going straight as an arrow. Most of the Mexican ramps were built to the standard of convenience and the tongue wheel was a great help. They needed a trailer dolly which was hi enough to lift the front tire off the ground, at home, for maneuvering, but not needed on the road normally. I have thought about setting my Sage up with a third wheel; maybe someday. ________________________________ From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 5:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica@yahoo.com>; Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Boat moving 50lbs of tongue weight might actually be dangerous towing it down the road as it's pretty light. You actually want tongue weight as it means thecenter of gravity of the trailer is in FRONT of the axle. You are supposed to have about 10% of the load as tongue weight. I had a trailer only hauling about 300 lbs of long timbers stuff a short distance with it nearly balanced (i.e. very little tongue weight). Nearly pulled the caroff the road and it was actually a small load. Basically it can start oscillating wildly side/side once it starts oscillating. It's the angularmomentum that gets you, not that the rear tires of the car are lifted off the ground. It's an interesting physics problem to see WHY. Basically its about center of mass of the boat/trailer. Put the center of mass ahead of the axle and the trailer tires helpstop oscillations. Move toward the axle and they help less and less. Go behind the axle and they actually make things worse. On Sunday, August 28, 2022, 3:57:56 PM PDT, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote: I find the M15 easy to move around by hand, even up a slight hill... I've never even bothered to use the trailer jack because it's only about ~50lbs of tongue weight. It depends on your fitness and strength level- I think most healthy adults could manage to move around an M15 easily but people with injuries, health problems, etc. might be better off just using a vehicle. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: "Rusty Knorr" <rustyinafrica@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:40:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Re: Boat moving Good lord, I don’t think I’m ready to have R2D2 move a boat for me! I could see getting a dolly if necessary, but I’m hoping I wouldn’t need it. https://www.trailex.com/products/pc/Aluminum-Dolly-SUT-HDKD-7p31.htm www.rustyknorr.weebly.com<http://www.rustyknorr.weebly.com>