Point well made. I don't see much "clam" in a clam cleat, but there it is in print. The Ronstan name "V-Cleat" seems more descriptive, and "Clamcleat" is a registered brand name. "Whatever", as today's youth are wont to say. ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Perhaps it is a nomenclature issue. Some people think of a Clam cleat as a Jam cleat:
Horned cleat Jam cleat Clam cleat Cam cleat
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-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jenkins Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:15 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Tom, I think I can picture bungee loops joined in the center by a line that runs through the cleat, but I can't figure why the line doesn't pop out of an upside down jam cleat, and how a jam cleat can hold in both directions. Intriguing.
TJ
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Yeah, try the corner cleats before you drill holes. I hate drilling holes in perfectly good fg.
I don't use a tt now, though I have used one in the past. I like a couple of bungee loops with line in between and a jam cleat on the bottom of the tiller. Probably not as easily adjusted, but in my mind low tech is less intrusive. Certainly fewer moving parts. t
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Tom Jenkins<tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Joe, I consider following directions a last resort. I hope you meant 12- 15", not 12-15', since that conveys quite the image. I still want to try the corner cleats, because I already have a useless cam for the pullup rudder, which I don't use.
My trig says your device is 12-15" up the tiller handle, if you really did follow the directions.
Thanks for your comments, and happy sailing. Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Tom, I followed the directions (say it ain't so, Joe). On the transom edge where the hull and deck flange is located I put a small pad eye about 12-15' away from the rudder on the port side and a camcleat the same distance on the starboard side. I don't know the exact measurements of where I drilled the holes in the tiller but I can get them for you. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Chad, Pictures would indeed be very helpful. Chances are if I took a guess, I would end up drilling more than one set of holes in the laminated tiller. Thanks much.
Tom Jenkins
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Parrish" <cparrish@fafnirnet.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Hi Tom,
I have a tiller tamer on my M17 and used the stern side cleats for it and it has worked really well. I can snap a couple of pictures this weekend if you would like to see how I have it set up.
--Chad
On Aug 14, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
> Kind folks, > > I have a Tiller-Tamer sitting around that I thought might work for my > 17 with an IdaSailor rudder. I don't want to mount new cleats, so I > would > like to use the side stern cleats for the T-T line. The geometry does > not > meet the specs in the mounting instructions (it would have to be too > far > forward to make a right angle), but I am wondering if one of you has > mounted > one further back with success. If so, how far is the T-T sheave center > from the pivot point on the rudder? > > Thanks, > Tom Jenkins > M17 hull #686 > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi- bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
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