Thanks John It really depends on what you are doing. I sailed Pelican from Oceanside Harbor to San Clemente is land and back....non stop 30 hrs. At night in a chopy sea and crossing the shipping lanes I found my self standing watch with my head sticking out of the cabin and my tiller pilot at the helm...... no humans in the cockpit. I did not need the additional task of managing the fuel level and timing or counting the pumps (witch I did on the shake down voyage). I decided that on these type of passages (San Clemente, Catalina, Santa Barbara Is) I need a gravity feed fuel system with at least 5 gal where I can switch the tank during daylight and favorable seas. My gravity system (Beta version) is detachable from my stern rail and only installed when "sailing" on this type of offshore trip. On a normal day sail the extended fuel system (tank and brackets) is stored in the dock box. I also like the safety fact that all of the fuel is stored outside of the vessel. Really great input for all you skippers on this form Capt Jim -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2023 10:30 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Aux fuel Sure...except there's no such thing as a 1 (or 2 or 3.5) gallon jug full of battery juice that one can just pour in and keep going. And unless you spend a fair bit of time tied up at a marina with shore power, they haven't got anything for you at the fuel dock. So it really depends on situation...as mentioned, for inland lakes,or relatively short bay/estuary/coastal cruising with known max range to home (or somewhere safe at least), an electric could work well. For more complex situations, could just be another spare anchor once the charge is used up. cheers, John On 6/20/23 11:36, Mike Epp wrote:
yep...without the gas can, smell and noise😉
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 2:24 PM Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
pretty much like a gas engine, then
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:29 PM Mike Epp <mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
The point being...wide open you'll get 2-3 miles but at a moderate speed you can get far more. You can see this range move up and down on the readout when you twist the throttle. With a light breeze you can motor sail which she loves and greatly extends the range. It works great for my situation on an inland lake.
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023, 12:22 PM Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
A difference of 2-15 miles?! Uhhh, no thanks. I need more predictability than that. At the expense of those motors you’d think there was a more reliable range when you really need it. What if there was an emergency or ann unpredicted weather change and you’re at the 2 mile range? I’ll stick to my Honda 2 at a fraction of the price.
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On Jun 20, 2023, at 4:13 AM, Mike Epp (Hickory Lane Farms) < mike43067@gmail.com> wrote:
I use the Torqeedo travel 1103 (3hp) and love it. I carry the battery home for a recharge each time I use it. (No-one will steal my motor) Range varies GREATLY when run at higher speeds. It could vary from 2 miles to 15 miles. It pushes the 15 easily to 5mph. A backup battery would be great but I can't justify the expense. I normally only use a motor for getting off the dock and out of the harbor so never had a range issue. I particularly like the speedometer on the throttle and the GPS which constantly updates the range left. Did I mentioned that it's quiet?....😉
On June 19, 2023, at 11:28 PM, Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Myself, I've been holding out for the right electric outboard. Theoretically I could get 4 hours (if you believe the brochure), and a spare battery down below
Too spendy for me to try it yet though...
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