I posted it, because I thought for some it might be a possible dinghy that stows very compactly. IF someone's use conditions and this little kayak are a match (fairly calm waters, short distances, etc.). Caveat emptor...I'll post a report when I get to actually try one. I've paddled the original Oru. The point of it is, compact, portable, stowable, and finally, paddlable. Given those constraints, it was actually half decent as a kayak. Doesn't fit my needs, but I've paddled more than a few other types that were worse to paddle. The 30 year veteran paddler and paddling store owner I used to teach for agreed - not bad, for what it is! And for what it's suitable for. But all the folding boats are major compromise compared to hard boats. Frame and skin take-aparts can be better, but they don't go together in two or even five minutes. If one is paddling alone and does not know how to do a solo re-entry and have the gear for it and a boat with proper flotation, that's a fool on the water. If one does, and the conditions are not overwhelming, it takes two or three minutes plus some pumping out of water. Much like sailing - if the conditions are overwhelming, we shouldn't be out there anyhow. A partner rescue takes one minute, or less, when you know what to do. Don't paddle alone if there's any odds you'll capsize. Audrey Sutherland's first big paddle was north shore Moloka'i, decades before she moved to Alaska, and she did that in the cheapest Sevylor inflatable there was at the time. The one that was even flimsier than the Tahiti...she couldn't even afford a Tahiti back then. AND, before she paddled north shore Moloka'i - she SWAM it (towing a drybag)! She was a novice kayaker, but very water/ocean capable (plus it is a lot warmer there). Amazing woman...just plain amazing human. I was lucky enough to see her in person at a presentation she did on the Big Island many decades ago. Humble too, no ego, just matter of fact about her 'wild' adventures. cheers, John On 4/16/20 5:39 PM, Charlie via montgomery_boats wrote:
Been following on the Orukayak with interest and watched YouTube. Been kayaking a number of years and owned a number but do not and I say again do not consider myself an expert on anything. From what I’ve watched I understand why the return to REI. My opinion is it isn’t a kayak and unsafe.
Let me refer to a couple demonstrated experts. First: Audrey Sutherland who at 60 kayaked the inland passage to Alaska in an inflatable Sea Eagle kayak 20 years ago. Her kayak is still manufacture and I have one to take my 4 year old Grandson kayaking with me. I would suggest anyone read her book. Paddling North, A solo adventure Along the inside passage. I read it 10 years ago. Best part I remember is her saying her most often ask question was why she selected the Sea Eagle. Answer: it is what I had and couldn’t afford anything else. Highly recommend book.
Next Webb Chiles pitchpole in Drascombe Lugger South Pacific. I’ve had one 40 years. After pitchpole boat was swamped. He tied an inflatable to Lugger and drifted two weeks to an island. Also an excellent book.
Where am I going. Inflatable since I believe for safety they are the best. If flipped and righted you will have no water inside kayak. I think the easiest kayak to re-enter after a flip and a flip is almost something you have to Make happen. That stable.
A swamped kayak and re-entry. It was two or three years ago in Everglade Challenge an experience kayaker flipped and had an heart attack and died trying to re-enter. Re-entering a kayak is extremely difficult. I believe what I once read best way re-entering a swamped kayak. In sure you are wearing a vest and close enough to swim to shore. After you get to shore worry about the kayak then.
The Sea Eagle I have cost around $350 and has many years, think Audrey, improving the kayak and now have many different models. Other Companies have really high Teck ones with Hobie maybe the best but at over $2000 dollar.
If you are thinking safety cost should be the least concern. If it is a play thing then totally different story. I’m a little confuse here with what people want a kayak for. Kayaks today are very specialized so I suggest going to a shop and sayIng; I want a kayak for this purpose.
Charlie ADAMS.
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On Apr 16, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: ct Not to be negative here, but the Orukayak is about the most returned item we get at REI. I would not own one for free and I’ve had the opportunity! Hopefully this is a better design, but I’m skeptical of the whole concept.
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Where do I buy one for 299? Sounds like a great deal. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44
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Here's the link I posted originally. Kickstarter campaign.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tucktec/tucktec-eco-folding-kayak
Went nuts for this guy, he is almost 10X over his original goal. The point was just to convert all production to recycled HDPE instead of virgin. But he's still offering the kickstarter price/promo for three more days. My girlfriend ordered one. It will be a while for delivery now because of the huge response he got.
Here's the regular company page - he's been making & selling them for a while, it's not a brand new product but has had some improvements.
cheers, John
On 4/15/20 6:27 PM, Jon Barber wrote: Where do I buy one for 299? Sounds like a great deal. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44
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