I don't know of an alternative to the jam cleat, but I'm sure there are variations that will work. The only v-cleat I'm familiar with is a fixture I call a clam cleat. I can't picture how one mounted on top of the tiller would engage the line, but I'm probably just short of imagination after a three day weekend. I'm pretty sold on the jam cleat on the underside of the tiller myself. It's practically foolproof. t Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Rick Langer [mailto:farreach@optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 10:22 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Bungee cord tiller tammer Tom that seems like a pretty neat system. I'll try some bungees today. Has anyone tried an alternative to the jam cleat. Would a wood carved V-cleat attached to the top of the tiller work? You drop the line into the cleat and the spring of the bungee pulls it into the V. Rick Langer M15 #337 Hudson River _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!