Funny! ( I mean the comment about a post-50's guy and the limp hanging thing.) I am 63, and refuse to comment on the applicability of that comment as far as I am concerned. On another subject, the cockpit drain on my M-17 runs from the bottom rear of the cockpit, through an "S" shaped rubber hose, and out the bottom of the boat at the rear of the keel. Although I keep a rubber stopper handy in case of a failure of the hose or clamps, I am thinking of running a new cockpit drain from the bottom of the cockpit to the transom, similar to the new M-17 but minus the locker. I probably will use some sort of bronze tubing and glass it in. Has anybody done this modification, and if not, does anybody have any better ideas on this project? Thanks Tom Woodworth M-17 #330 "Wild Hare"