John- Nearly all the racing I've done in the 17 has been under the Portsmouth rule. I know that the 17 has been rated under PHRF, but I don't recall what the rating is. I believe that the original 23 was rated at 234, and it is a good bit faster than the 17. I used to have a book of PHRF ratings but I've moved about 20 times since then and I haven't seen it for years. Have you tried a website? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Saltm17@aol.com To: jmbn@innercite.com Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: ratings Jerry, I meant for that request concering ratings to be private, but I sent it to the wrong address. I am finally getting the speed out of my M17 that you and some others have indicated she has. I would like to race under a "correct" rating so I can really judge how close I am to getting all the speed out of her. I'd appreciate any help. Thanks John