x-authenticated : Sender SMTP authenticated by smtp.gotrain.org X-XM-SPF: eid=;;;mid=;;;hst=mx03.mta.xmission.com;;;ip=69.54.158.25;;;frm=bill@gotrain.org;;;spf=none X-XM-DomainKey: sender_domain=gotrain.org;;;sender=bill@gotrain.org;;;status=no signature X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 69.54.158.25 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bill@gotrain.org X-Spam-DCC: XMission; sa03 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on sa03.xmission.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00,DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE, MISSING_HB_SEP,T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG,XM_Body_Dirty_Words autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Combo: ;For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> X-Spam-Relay-Country: XX US X-Spam-Report: * 2.5 MISSING_HB_SEP Missing blank line between message header and body * 0.0 T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG BODY: T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG * -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * -0.0 DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE Not listed in DCC * [sa03 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1] * 0.5 XM_Body_Dirty_Words Contains a dirty word Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with M15 keel damage X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:26:12 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mx03.mta.xmission.com) Hi Ken, Congratulations on selling the 17, and hope you find a nice 15. To answer your questions, as well as I can. 1. Never seen damage like this before. Sounds like it may have sustained some extensive structural problems. I would have a boat surveyor look at the damage, if you are seriously considering this boat. It might be more trouble than it's worth. 2. You should be able to see the inside of the hull where the keel joins it by looking in the cockpit storage areas. On my boat, they're both cut out and you can see the inner hull on both sides. Some 15's have shallow storage compartments, and the only way to see the inside of the hull where the keel joins is to Lie on the cabin sole and use a flashlight and a mirror, probably on a stick. The cracks on the outer hull might show up on the inside if the damage was really severe. That might be a reason to avoid this boat, unless you're prepared for a big repair job. The price might help make your decision here. 3. Yes. That depression should be there. That's the 15's version of a bilge. It's also a good wine cellar, in a tight. 4. The centerboards on all 15's were basically the same, I believe, other than minor construction details. The weight, shape, and method of operation were the same. 5. I'm not sure about the mast crutch, but I think it was optional. Mine came with my boat from the factory, but I think I paid extra for it. I've also seen a lot of home made ones. Mine from the factory, is a straight stainless tube with a "Y" on the top to hold the mast. It slips into the same gudgeons that support the rudder. The front of the mast is supported by a rubber "Y" above the winch on top of an upright structure on the trailer. One way or another, you need a front and rear support for trailering the boat. It sounds to me like this boat was abused, and used in a careless manner. Unless it's really cheap, and you're willing to take on a project boat, I think I'd pass on this one. Of course, you can always make a better decision based on actually looking at the boat, than I can just hearing about it. Either way, good luck, Bill Day M-15, 363, "Gee Whiz!", Ken Wheeler wrote:
Help! Having sold my M17 I am now looking for a M15 to replace it. I looked at an older M15 today that had keel damage not only at the front of the keel (grounding) and inside the centerboard trunk but also it had cracks at the rear of the keel where the keel joins the hull directly above the rear trailer roller and on both sides. Only thing I can figure is that the boat was transported with no rear straps, the outboard (a 50# brute) attached and that they then hit a large pothole. The boat was setting off the keel rollers and all the weight seemed to be on the high spot of the rear roller. My questions to those of you with more experience: 1. Has anyone seen damage like this before? 2. Can I access the damage at the rear of the keel from inside anywhere. I would want to patch the outside and reinforce the inside if possible. 3. Is the keel well (viewed from inside the boat) not supposed to be filled level with the hull? 4. Do all the M15s (even the older ones) have thee same centerboard? 5. Were any of these boats delivered without a rear mast crutch? This one doesn't have one along with other missing items. The owner is a real nice guy but hasn't sailed the boat for awhile and can remember some things.
I appreciate any help you can offer, Ken from California _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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