Sent from my iPad > On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote: > > John, > > I love my beautiful wooden rudder, but the first thing I did to my 17 was buy a Ruddercraft kick-up rudder with a removable bracket to carry the mast for travel. Solves several practical issues and eliminates the ���oops��� should you hit a submerged object with that stock blade. Your fixed rudder would make a great wall hanging if you have the space. > > Best, > Tom J > >> On Jan 9, 2016, at 10:44 AM, John Schinnerer wrote: >> >> When launching, you are pushing the boat backwards into the water. So if you did have the rudder on (I'm not advocating it... ;-), unless you tie the tiller off, it will swing hard to one side or the other once the blade hits the water going backwards - bang! And then it will be sideways against the water as you continue to back in. >> >> First thing I noticed with my M17 was how deep the rudder is. Deeper than the keel with board up. So even besides the above, I would not likely launch with the rudder on unless it was a ramp/dock I knew for sure was plenty deep when the trailer was just deep enough to get the boat off. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >>> On 01/09/2016 10:26 AM, Jazzy wrote: >>> Thank you all for the warm welcome! I'm looking forward to that boat show >>> and meeting you all there. Hopefully the work sched cooperates... >>> >>> Couple of questions....do you guys trailer in with the rudder attached? >>> Shallow ramp...low tide? >>> >>> Do you guys use whisker poles? El Nino didn't come with one. >>> >>> More questions to come as I sort through...thank you! >>> >>> Ivan >>>> On Jan 7, 2016 11:43 AM, "Lenny Corin" wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Jazzy, >>>> >>>> I'm on Whidbey and I know of another M-17 sailor (Betsy) over across the >>>> Great Divide in Port Townsend. Enjoy your M-17. If you find yourself in >>>> the area, stop on by. My 17 is currently resting by the side of my >>>> garage. I'll probably have it in the Oak Harbor Marina for a month this >>>> summer. Do check out the Wooden Boat Festival and Pocket Yacht Palooza in >>>> PT. Good opportunity to meet other small boat enthusiasts and pepper Dave >>>> Scobie with questions and receive his sage (!) advise. >>>> >>>> Lenny, 'Orli' >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:00 AM, >>>>> montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to >>>>> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>>> >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com >>>>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>> montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com >>>>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Introduction... (Jazzy) >>>>> 2. Re: Introduction... (Thomas Buzzi) >>>>> 3. Re: Introduction... (Steve Trapp) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 08:31:46 -0800 >>>>> From: Jazzy >>>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>>> >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: Introduction... >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>>> >>>>> Hello All! >>>>> I recently purchased an M17, and of course have been lurking and learning >>>>> all along. The boat was originally "Selkie" and the next owner re-named >>>> it >>>>> "El Nino". My name is Ivan and I currently live in Gig Harbor, WA and am >>>>> fairly new to sailing. I bought an older Snipe two summers ago and >>>> taught >>>>> myself how to sail on that. I would love to get in contact with anyone >>>>> nearby that is knowledgeable regarding M17 or 15s to perhaps come by for >>>> a >>>>> looksie. >>>>> >>>>> I look forward to getting to know you all better, and now for the best >>>> part >>>>> of introduction posts.... PICS! Note "Selkie's" custom dodger as >>>> featured >>>>> in Small Craft Advisor #64, 2010..... SWEET! >>>>> >>>>> http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/El%20Nino.jpg >>>>> http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/elnino.jpg >>>>> >>>>> -= Ivan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 2 >>>>> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:13:15 -0600 >>>>> From: Thomas Buzzi >>>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Introduction... >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>>> >>>>> Hey Ivan, >>>>> Welcome to the group. Glad you found a 17. They are great boats! I have >>>>> owned two over the years. Still have the second one. I often wondered >>>> what >>>>> a main hatch dodger would configure like. Thanks for the pics. >>>>> My home port is a driveway in Rockport, Tx. >>>>> Good luck with your boat. >>>>> fair winds, >>>>> Tom B >>>>> < >>>> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >>>>> >>>>> This >>>>> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> < >>>> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >>>>> >>>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Jazzy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello All! >>>>>> I recently purchased an M17, and of course have been lurking and >>>> learning >>>>>> all along. The boat was originally "Selkie" and the next owner >>>> re-named it >>>>>> "El Nino". My name is Ivan and I currently live in Gig Harbor, WA and >>>> am >>>>>> fairly new to sailing. I bought an older Snipe two summers ago and >>>> taught >>>>>> myself how to sail on that. I would love to get in contact with anyone >>>>>> nearby that is knowledgeable regarding M17 or 15s to perhaps come by >>>> for a >>>>>> looksie. >>>>>> >>>>>> I look forward to getting to know you all better, and now for the best >>>> part >>>>>> of introduction posts.... PICS! Note "Selkie's" custom dodger as >>>> featured >>>>>> in Small Craft Advisor #64, 2010..... SWEET! >>>>>> >>>>>> http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/El%20Nino.jpg >>>>>> http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/elnino.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>> -= Ivan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 3 >>>>> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 09:58:55 -0800 >>>>> From: "Steve Trapp" >>>>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Introduction... >>>>> Message-ID: <4914FA9517AF48259527A7C899E37396@HPPC> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >>>>> reply-type=original >>>>> >>>>> Ivan, >>>>> There are several of us M boat sailors in the area, my M-15 is on South >>>>> Puget Sound in Olympia. Have you sailed before ? If you are new to the >>>>> sport, sailing lessons will >>>>> be a good investment. Island Sailing Club with boats in Olympia does a >>>> good >>>>> job on that, but I will bet there are clubs in Gig Harbor that offer >>>>> lessons. Pocket Yacht Palooza >>>>> in Port Townsend in June is also a good place to connect with other >>>> sailors. >>>>> Dave Scobie, the guy who now builds Sage boats based on the Montgomery >>>> boats >>>>> and Jerry >>>>> Montgomery's consultation usually attends Pocket Yacht Palooza and is >>>> worth >>>>> going to talk with and to pick his brain. >>>>> Good Sailing, enjoy the waters and many inlets of Puget Sound >>>>> Steve >>>>> M-15 # 335 >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Jazzy >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 8:31 AM >>>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: Introduction... >>>>> >>>>> Hello All! >>>>> I recently purchased an M17, and of course have been lurking and learning >>>>> all along. The boat was originally "Selkie" and the next owner re-named >>>> it >>>>> "El Nino". My name is Ivan and I currently live in Gig Harbor, WA and am >>>>> fairly new to sailing. I bought an older Snipe two summers ago and >>>> taught >>>>> myself how to sail on that. I would love to get in contact with anyone >>>>> nearby that is knowledgeable regarding M17 or 15s to perhaps come by for >>>> a >>>>> looksie. >>>>> >>>>> I look forward to getting to know you all better, and now for the best >>>> part >>>>> of introduction posts.... PICS! Note "Selkie's" custom dodger as >>>> featured >>>>> in Small Craft Advisor #64, 2010..... SWEET! >>>>> >>>>> http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/El%20Nino.jpg >>>>> http://ivanpla.com/FunStuff/Montgomery%2017/elnino.jpg >>>>> >>>>> -= Ivan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> montgomery_boats mailing list >>>>> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com >>>>> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>>> >>>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 155, Issue 10 >>>>> ************************************************* >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com > >