john: all boats can experience a knockdown. i've read of M15s being knocked down but all boats righted. i see the common detail of these stories is that the main sheet was cleated. i've not read of one having a knockdown experience in the M17. my three-plus years of sailing an M15 tells me this - reef early. the M15 will tell you if she is overpowered. listen to what she is telling you in her sailing performance and through the tiller (weather helm). my two month ownership & sailing an M17 states the boat can take a blow. to be honest i am much more willing to 'hot dog' in SWEET PEA (M17) than i ever was in SCRED (M15). the latest potter instances would be difficult to duplicate in an M15 or M17 -- one: water that shallow would not allow one to sail the mboats. two: the centerboard trunk of the m15 will not allow water into the cabin. only the _older_ M17s have the centerboard pendent in the cabin. three: the mboats have _ballast_ in the skeg keel. it is only the older M17s with cast iron centerboards that have significant weight that 'moves'. still, if the cast iron board did return to the 'slot' it would still be in the skeg keel, not in the cabin (ie, there would still be a righting moment). i look forward to reading other folks' thoughts. dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Mon, 6/22/09, John and DesAnne Hippe <jdhippe@gmail.com> wrote: Hello All, After reading the post regarding the Texas 200 and the WWP that sunk I was thinking about the Monty's self-recovery ability. I don't recall any postings regarding Monty's being knocked down but am sure it has/can happen. Last year while sailing on Lake Superior around Isle Royale I took some water over the combings -- not a pretty sight seeing 55 degree water pouring into the cockpit... Has anyone experienced or heard of a M-15 or M-17 being knocked down? I like adventure sailing with my M-15 and believe it is a very capable micro-cruiser. However, I am not sure how it would handle if it were knocked down and swamped. John M-15 Jester