My two cents: I drive a used, 2000 Hyundai Elantra with an off-the- shelf hitch. With over 70,000 miles, the "Grey Goose" with a little four banger, front wheel drive and relative light weight has no trouble launching, retrieving and pulling "Rejoyce" at all. Last week we pulled her for bottom painting, and I sat in the cockpit as she went up the ramp. The exhaust sound indicated minimal power needed, and my friend driving her said she pulled up the relatively steep ramp with ease. In my less-than-humble opinion, it has more to do with the ramp's surface and condition, with the driver's mind set a close second. I do not want a new Tundra with a jillion horses under the hood, room for eight adults and a month's worth of groceries and building supplies. But I could probably justify it if I really did want that. Or a Hummer! I just put my bucks into my treasured little M15. (Where can I mount a radar with a hundred mile range?) CheersI .--.-. | ( ( )__ \ _ / (_, \ ) ,_) | -== (_) ==- -'--`--' /|\ / \ / | \ | ^^ / | \ / | \ ^^ /361| \ / | \ / | \ ^^ / | \ ___/____| \ ______|_ \ ___ _______/ ==== \___\___/ | “MONTGOMERY 15” / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~^~~^=~^~~-=~^~^~=~^~=~~^~= ~^~=~~^=~^~~^~^=~^~-~^~~^~= ^~=~^~=~~^~~=~~=~^~=~~^~~^~^^ John Butler - Sailing again. Praise the Lord!