Thanks. I think I’m at some kind of turning point in sailing life Pete Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 10, 2019, at 16:00, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I am tall (6' 3") so maybe that's why the M17 feels so much roomier to me than the M15...again if you can see one in person sometime, you will have a much clearer sense of it.
There is at least room to sit inside, fully upright (even me, just barely, on the settee), move around a bit, space for a portable galley setup, etc.
For me, in the M15 it is lie down, or get out in the cockpit (short people I am told can sit up just inside the companionway ;-).
So in my experience, M17 much roomier. And, it's still a 17-footer.
There are a variety of other 17-18 ft. pocket cruisers...some with larger cabin (thus smaller cockpit). Of those I've seen in person, the M17 is a great balance of roomy cockpit and adequate cabin space.
Venture 17 & Vagabond 17 (both a fair bit lighter than the M17); Sanibel 18; Com-Pac, SunCat, Etc. etc. Even a Sage 17 but that is big $$$ since there's no old used ones around.
You can go to sailboatdata.com and search only on 17, then 18, then 19, etc. and get reasonable search results showing boats of that length (as long as the length is in the name in the database. Here's 17 for example: https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat?filter%5Bname%5D=17&paginate=25&units=impe...
Not to mention all the designs for plan or kit built pocket cruisers...
And, there's only so much one can do in 17-18 ft. with decent sailing qualities.
If you want something almost as light to tow/launch as M17, with a fair bit more interior space, and also a Lyle Hess design, you could look at a Balboa 20 or Ensenada 20. Same exact hull; Balboa has typical cabin/deck design, Ensenada has high flush deck, tons of space inside. I had an Ensenada 20 for a little while.
cheers, John
On 8/10/19 10:33 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: hi: Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn’t for me. Heaven forbid, but do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh? Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter:
First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15.
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On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: Hi: we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn’t work out. She doesn’t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I’ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don’t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
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