Bill: Thanks for the note on rudder skulling. I used to skull my Rumba that way so I'll try it on Sweet Dream this weekend. I looked at the "Tilly" skulling rudder made for inflatables. This is a "clamp on" devise that looks like a small M-15 rudder. It's spring loaded and you move the tiller handle back and forth like rudder skulling but the spring loaded rudder does a better job. I had a link but its gone. They advertise in the back of Sailing mag. or you can search for them on the net. I had considered one as a back-up for the Honda Fair winds Don Ludlow M15 #620 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:39 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 8, Issue 42 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Length of M17 on Trailrite Trailer (Bill Sylvester) 2. Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard (Paul Bailey) 3. Fw: electronic navigation and RDF (MC Carpenter) 4. Radios on board (MC Carpenter) 5. Re: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard (Rusty Knorr) 6. Re: C'mon, join the Pardey! (Rusty Knorr) 7. Length of M17 on Trailrite Trailer (Honshells) 8. New Old M-17 (Honshells) 9. Re: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard (IDCLLC@aol.com) 10. Re: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard (IDCLLC@aol.com) 11. RE: Filling 2 HP Hondas (Ludlow, Don) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:46 -0800 From: Bill Sylvester <wmcsyl1@cox.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Length of M17 on Trailrite Trailer To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <5F275FD9-0B5D-11D8-9892-0050E4108C71@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mine is 234 inches from the last upright under the bunk to the tip of the tounge. The stern of the boat hangs over 34 inches behind that for a total of 268 inches total. Bill Endelig M-17 #279 On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 07:40 PM, Honshells wrote:
Does anyone know the lenth of the M17 on a stock Trailrite trailer, from the tip of the trailer tongue to the stern of the boat?
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------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:52:21 -0800 From: Paul Bailey <pbailey@sbcglobal.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <0336D605-0B5E-11D8-B705-00039376A5B6@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm pretty sure I've found a picture and description of the hand powered outboard. Go to : http://www.acbm.us/passion-for-outboards.htm and scroll down to about the third picture.....Hmmm.... this one has a crank, it looks like, and not a 'pump handle' tiller: there surely could have been more than one such thing. -Paul Bailey M-15 Sassea On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 08:40 PM, montgomery_boats- request@mailman.xmission.com wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: IDCLLC@aol.com [mailto:IDCLLC@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:52 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yet another method of propulsion
My dad has a manual outboard engine-essentially a gearbox on a shaft, with a big, slow turning prop. You pump its tiller up and down to make it go. It's over thirty years old, and I've never used it, but it fascinated me as a child. It's very light; even an 8 year old can pick it up. If I get a chance, I'll try it on our P-15, but beware: I'm building Michalak's 14 ft Piragua canoe, which is taking all my boating time. The good news is, I have about two more coats of epoxy and painting to complete it. Wahoo!
Cheers
Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" --
------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:33:01 -0500 From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2@earthlink.net> Subject: M_Boats: Fw: electronic navigation and RDF To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <008601c39f70$74856a80$db1c4bab@D60D0Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2@earthlink.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: electronic navigation and RDF
what happened to all those electronic navigation devices.
There was Loran A then Loran C don't know if there was B, Omega seemed like it was everywhere. Sat-Nav when did that stop. Is Decca still around now GPS
Is the RDF stations still out there in U.S. cause I have not seen a RDF receiver advertised for a while??? I know they still are in French South Pacific islands.
------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:31:08 -0500 From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2@earthlink.net> Subject: M_Boats: Radios on board To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000a01c39f78$95c1bde0$db1c4bab@D60D0Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does the Coast Guard still have radio beacons which you can find your way using a RDF receiver? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:03:35 -0800 (PST) From: Rusty Knorr <mazemusic@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <20031031090335.10316.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That is fantastic! Thanks for the post, Paul. I am a bike mechanic at REI in Seattle and now I am thinking I need to fabricate something with a bike crank, a chain, a prop... I should probably just overhaul my outboard! Is IS a very intriguing idea though. Hmmmmm... -Rusty --- Paul Bailey <pbailey@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm pretty sure I've found a picture and description of the hand powered outboard. Go to :
http://www.acbm.us/passion-for-outboards.htm
and scroll down to about the third picture.....Hmmm.... this one has a crank, it looks like, and not a 'pump handle' tiller: there surely could have been more than one such thing.
-Paul Bailey M-15 Sassea
On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 08:40 PM, montgomery_boats- request@mailman.xmission.com wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: IDCLLC@aol.com [mailto:IDCLLC@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:52 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yet another method of
propulsion
My dad has a manual outboard engine-essentially a
gearbox on a shaft,
with a big, slow turning prop. You pump its tiller up and down to make it go. It's over thirty years old, and I've never used it, but it fascinated me as a child. It's very light; even an 8 year old can pick it up. If I get a chance, I'll try it on our P-15, but beware: I'm building Michalak's 14 ft Piragua canoe, which is taking all my boating time. The good news is, I have about two more coats of epoxy and painting to complete it. Wahoo!
Cheers
Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" --
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Hi Rusty,
Word of warning!!!
Do you have a knot in the centerboard pennant?
There is no stop when you drop the centerboard, so the proper way to do it is to carefully lower your CB till you feel it touch the CB case; now pull up a few inches on the pennant and put in a stopper knot.
At this point when you lower the CB, the stopper knot will keep the CB from bottoming out on the CB trunk.
A safety precaution that every new M15 owner has to know.
Happy sailing
Connie
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