Hi Gilasailr, That was an interesting email and certainly causes me to think about lot of things I had not thought about particularly in regards to the friend we have in "friction". Tony -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of SALGLESSER@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:57 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint Freak-out! Long Hi GILASAILR, Thanx much. you can raise my awareness anytime. sal In a message dated 4/30/2009 11:37:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, GILASAILR@aol.com writes: Folks, This is for ALL who are contemplating Anti-Fouling Paint Choices (ironic heh?) THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT ANY ONE PERSON in particular - hell, I am here to offend all equally. (maybe, LOL) I need to make a comment, an ass of myself, or have my say. Shoot- I'm going for the TRIFECTA! Please let us think here for a minute. How many of us like clams, scallops,crabs, oysters, redfish, tuna, bluefish, salmon etc.? I like to eat all of those from time to time. I even like to just look at them in the water! I really would appreciate it, if the freaking bottom paint containing metals and biocide (rhymes with pesticide) was NOT FLAKING off the bottom of a boat to poison the rest of the animals in the sea, so that our boats can have a little less 'fuzz, scum, hair or whatever grows in your neck of the woods' on it's bottom! Please think about it. Hard paints leach the poison out over time, soft ones flake off and frequently have a very short usable life-span, and require another application. You CANNOT scrub ablative paints with much success. Lets try and give the beautiful places we sail a chance to breathe! Maybe because a lot of life is out of our control this 'week' -economy, political tensions between countries, people losing their jobs and houses. It would be nice - by acting responsibly - to help make the world a better place - if for no one other than yourself - the next time you go sailing! And by doing that , it makes a better place for your neighbor who enjoys the beach, or fishing, or surfing. Happy people make for a good place to live. Happy animals make for a good place to live. Yeah- I am 57 years old- a hippy - and 'TRY' to live in an eco-friendly manner - I am FAR from being even good at it - but I try. If you have to poison the place that you love to spend your "quality time" - try and have a 'minimal impact'. I hear chili peppers makes a good biocide! Hard paints don't slough off, try paints with lower levels of biocides, check for % of metals, toxins -' yeah Festus - that there Killer X3000 Paint is 40% cyanide - that 'll keep that dern slime off the bottom' . An old girl friend of mine taught me that 'friction is my friend' - works wonders on unwanted aquatic growth too! A little more abrasion and NO ABLATIVES!!! (these are trailerable SMALL boats-it's not like cleaning an aircraft carrier). Please just think about it the next time you choose. Thank You for your time and patience. Sorry for the rant - but now you know what I am full of. _ _ _ _ Reduce,Reuse,Recycle Take Care, Have Fun, Be nice to the Earth- Peace! GO M-17 # 316a "LB/GF" Team Geezer Racing 'Old and In the Way.....' PS - I probably won't go off like this for another couple years, at least not in PUBLIC! 'Nurse - I would like my meds now' In a message dated 4/30/2009 7:26:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, treed@communitycareinc.com writes: Joe....Have you had a sail cover made for Seafrog yet? If you have one I was wondering what measurements you used to have it made. I just wanted to make sure I am getting the right measurements for a good fit...T E. Tony Reed -----Original Message----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> Subj: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint Date: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:30 pm Size: 1K To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> I used Micron Extra. I keep Seafrog in saltwater 10 months straight per year. I pull her out after 5 months. Looked great. I agree with Bones. You can recoat with the same bottom paint as long as it is the same product. I like the ablative paint which flakes off during the time the boat is in the water thus shedding the nasties. I don't know if you use ablative paints in fresh water. But there are a gazillion sites out there with great advice. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <bownez@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bottom Paint
Hi John,
I have Micron CSC on the M17, and Awlgrip All-star on the M23.
Both seem to be fabulous, although far from inexpensive.
Both boats are trailered and sailed in fresh water.
I have been led to believe that unless you remove all the previous bottom paint, recoating should be done with the same product.
For what it is worth.
Later,
Bones
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