I’m doing the same as several others, but taking the shortcut route. I’m on my way Fri down to California to pick up a Gig Harbor SCAMP to possibly replace my M15. I was planning on sailing both through the winter and deciding which to keep in the spring, but I’m willing to pass my boat on to the right person if I can find them. Please contact me OFF LIST to discuss any details or ask questions. I have lots of great pics of the boat under sail! Fair winds, Rusty on Vanilla www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
Today's Topics:
1. Re: M-15 for sale (doug) 2. Re: M-15 for sale (Doug 9326) 3. Re: M-15 for sale (Paul Baker) 4. Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA (John Schinnerer) 5. Re: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA (Daniel Rich) 6. Re: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA (John Schinnerer) 7. Re: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA (Daniel Rich) 8. Re: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA (Gail Russell) 9. Re: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA (Gail Russell) 10. Re: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA (Thomas Howe)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 12:06:13 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 for sale Message-ID: <CAKuJGDx26V0FX58WrV0-Q78FKAO6ivZyk-Fr_JfyvSi4JMdCvQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I will get that later today along with some photos. Thanks.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 7:03 PM Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Doug, Do you know what year it is? Thanks very much, Paul
On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 4:31 PM Doug 9326 <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a nice Montgomery 15 with trailer that I need to sell. Name is ?Poof? in nice graphics on port and starboard stern. It is in very good shape and nearly original in terms of deck, rigging and added equipment. Gel coat is in great shape with a few surface dings. Nice interior with vinyl cushions in great shape, no tears or repairs. Porta-potti. No electronics. Main and jib both in good shape with no tears or repairs. Nice standing and running rigging. Very solid 2hp Honda 4 stroke recently tuned up. Attached rear stout stainless boarding ladder. Teak handrails, drop board into cabin, teak exterior trim around companionway and along full length of deck joint. Original kick up rudder with new teak tiller. New sail cover. Trailer has some surface rust but its solid and tires are good. Lights work as new. Includes spare tire. Anchor for lunch stops or fishing. Extra fuel tank. All in all a very nice M-15 in great shape. No problems with retractable keel, rudder, motor or trailer. Email for more info to doug9326@gmail.com <mailto:doug9326@gmail.com>. Boat is located in Bend, Oregon as is owner. Asking $4000. No test sails or delivery. Pick up in Bend, Oregon.
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 17:43:38 -0700 From: Doug 9326 <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 for sale Message-ID: <5160C446-1362-4C43-809F-C3C2B181A13C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Paul?.. Did not get the year of my boat yet and the day is coming to a close here in Oregon. I will tomorrow. Its a very early M-15. As I recall its hull no. 4. It was in a watertight garage for many many years and it shows. The entire boat is in great condition with a few chips out on the transom and on the bow where the previous owner hit a rock while trying to launch. Nothing structural, just gel coat. Where I live we don?t have any fiberglass shops and I have been too lazy to haul it to Portland for that small repair. I will send some photos I took today. If you have more questions, feel free to ask and I will get the boats age to you tomorrow. Sorry for the delay but today was very busy.
Doug
On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:06 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I will get that later today along with some photos. Thanks.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 7:03 PM Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com <mailto:avalonjazz@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Doug, Do you know what year it is? Thanks very much, Paul
On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 4:31 PM Doug 9326 <doug9326@gmail.com <mailto:doug9326@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have a nice Montgomery 15 with trailer that I need to sell. Name is ?Poof? in nice graphics on port and starboard stern. It is in very good shape and nearly original in terms of deck, rigging and added equipment. Gel coat is in great shape with a few surface dings. Nice interior with vinyl cushions in great shape, no tears or repairs. Porta-potti. No electronics. Main and jib both in good shape with no tears or repairs. Nice standing and running rigging. Very solid 2hp Honda 4 stroke recently tuned up. Attached rear stout stainless boarding ladder. Teak handrails, drop board into cabin, teak exterior trim around companionway and along full length of deck joint. Original kick up rudder with new teak tiller. New sail cover. Trailer has some surface rust but its solid and tires are good. Lights work as new. Includes spare tire. Anchor for lunch stops or fishing. Extra fuel tank. All in all a very nice M-15 in great shape. No problems with retractable keel, rudder, motor or trailer. Email for more info to doug9326@gmail.com <mailto:doug9326@gmail.com> <mailto:doug9326@gmail.com <mailto:doug9326@gmail.com>>. Boat is located in Bend, Oregon as is owner. Asking $4000. No test sails or delivery. Pick up in Bend, Oregon.
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 17:52:57 -0700 From: Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 for sale Message-ID: <CAHcOfcLkVjgN3eL_e9VX=qfuR2VU-X7vWVKPD_eLSXgefgRP3Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Ok. Thanks Doug. I look forward to seeing some pics. I appreciate your effort. Paul
On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, 5:44 PM Doug 9326 <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul?.. Did not get the year of my boat yet and the day is coming to a close here in Oregon. I will tomorrow. Its a very early M-15. As I recall its hull no. 4. It was in a watertight garage for many many years and it shows. The entire boat is in great condition with a few chips out on the transom and on the bow where the previous owner hit a rock while trying to launch. Nothing structural, just gel coat. Where I live we don?t have any fiberglass shops and I have been too lazy to haul it to Portland for that small repair. I will send some photos I took today. If you have more questions, feel free to ask and I will get the boats age to you tomorrow. Sorry for the delay but today was very busy.
Doug
On Sep 3, 2019, at 12:06 PM, doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
I will get that later today along with some photos. Thanks.
On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 7:03 PM Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com <mailto: avalonjazz@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Doug, Do you know what year it is? Thanks very much, Paul
On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 4:31 PM Doug 9326 <doug9326@gmail.com <mailto: doug9326@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have a nice Montgomery 15 with trailer that I need to sell. Name is ?Poof? in nice graphics on port and starboard stern. It is in very good shape and nearly original in terms of deck, rigging and added equipment. Gel coat is in great shape with a few surface dings. Nice interior with vinyl cushions in great shape, no tears or repairs. Porta-potti. No electronics. Main and jib both in good shape with no tears or repairs. Nice standing and running rigging. Very solid 2hp Honda 4 stroke recently tuned up. Attached rear stout stainless boarding ladder. Teak handrails, drop board into cabin, teak exterior trim around companionway and along full length of deck joint. Original kick up rudder with new teak tiller. New sail cover. Trailer has some surface rust but its solid and tires are good. Lights work as new. Includes spare tire. Anchor for lunch stops or fishing. Extra fuel tank. All in all a very nice M-15 in great shape. No problems with retractable keel, rudder, motor or trailer. Email for more info to doug9326@gmail.com <mailto:doug9326@gmail.com> <mailto:doug9326@gmail.com <mailto:doug9326@gmail.com>>. Boat is located in Bend, Oregon as is owner. Asking $4000. No test sails or delivery. Pick up in Bend, Oregon.
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 22:25:17 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA Message-ID: <e78764cd-7ded-84dc-c4c4-45d31dd425de@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Just stumbled over this while looking for something else: https://monterey.craigslist.org/boa/d/monterey-montgomery-15-sailboat-and/69...
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 22:31:41 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA Message-ID: <7C4295A8-DD01-4027-B627-4491371C91A6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
OK, that is really peculiar. That is a photo of my boat Kestrel taken around 2011 when I first bought her from Bob Becker. That is my boat in front of my house. Why this photo is being used without my permission is really strange. I wonder what the story is here? I just sold the boat on Saturday.
Daniel
On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:25 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Just stumbled over this while looking for something else: https://monterey.craigslist.org/boa/d/monterey-montgomery-15-sailboat-and/69...
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 22:58:42 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA Message-ID: <b21df724-839a-71ad-0c4f-f6758ba0c0bf@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
I was thinking it looked like your trailer, but that was the standard trailer for most of them anyhow. Somehow I thought your stripe was green but obviously I remembered that wrong!
It says posted two days ago...
Did you sell it to someone in Monterey area, who might have seen it as underpriced, and is trying to 'flip' it for a few grand quick profit?
That would suck...maybe we should 'out' them if that's the case.
Some of the details sound like cut & paste of your ad. You'd think they could at least take their own pictures!
And it looks like they've edited out the registration numbers on the bow. I see what looks like a slightly off color blob where that would be. And maybe near stern, did you have her name there in white on the red?
This is weird...
cheers, John
On 9/3/19 10:31 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: OK, that is really peculiar. That is a photo of my boat Kestrel taken around 2011 when I first bought her from Bob Becker. That is my boat in front of my house. Why this photo is being used without my permission is really strange. I wonder what the story is here? I just sold the boat on Saturday.
Daniel
On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:25 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Just stumbled over this while looking for something else: https://monterey.craigslist.org/boa/d/monterey-montgomery-15-sailboat-and/69...
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Message: 7 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 23:05:41 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA Message-ID: <D837982E-D20B-4B8F-8874-1BCCD49667A6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Really weird. The CF numbers are blocked out. That picture is taken straight out of my blog from 2011, but in that photo the CF number is visible. The life lines are there, which I later removed. I mentioned it in my ad. I would be surprised if the guy I sold it to were doing that, but I intend to find out! I have the guys contact information, and I will call him.
The guy I sold it to was very knowledgeable about boats. He invited me to sail with him anytime, and that the boat will be kept at his house in Santa Rosa.
I will try to get to the bottom of this if I can.
Daniel
On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:58 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I was thinking it looked like your trailer, but that was the standard trailer for most of them anyhow. Somehow I thought your stripe was green but obviously I remembered that wrong!
It says posted two days ago...
Did you sell it to someone in Monterey area, who might have seen it as underpriced, and is trying to 'flip' it for a few grand quick profit?
That would suck...maybe we should 'out' them if that's the case.
Some of the details sound like cut & paste of your ad. You'd think they could at least take their own pictures!
And it looks like they've edited out the registration numbers on the bow. I see what looks like a slightly off color blob where that would be. And maybe near stern, did you have her name there in white on the red?
This is weird...
cheers, John
On 9/3/19 10:31 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: OK, that is really peculiar. That is a photo of my boat Kestrel taken around 2011 when I first bought her from Bob Becker. That is my boat in front of my house. Why this photo is being used without my permission is really strange. I wonder what the story is here? I just sold the boat on Saturday. Daniel
On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:25 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Just stumbled over this while looking for something else: https://monterey.craigslist.org/boa/d/monterey-montgomery-15-sailboat-and/69...
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Message: 8 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 12:40:17 +0200 From: Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA Message-ID: <CAKCiK2JW72N4t1Wfa1MBx+eGoQfBaV3N0t3GtZWUpVYOdJmb+w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Someone is either reselling your boat, or running a scam.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019, 7:32 AM Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, that is really peculiar. That is a photo of my boat Kestrel taken around 2011 when I first bought her from Bob Becker. That is my boat in front of my house. Why this photo is being used without my permission is really strange. I wonder what the story is here? I just sold the boat on Saturday.
Daniel
On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:25 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Just stumbled over this while looking for something else:
https://monterey.craigslist.org/boa/d/monterey-montgomery-15-sailboat-and/69...
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Message: 9 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 12:45:07 +0200 From: Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA Message-ID: <CAKCiK2KjfjLMRgva6PA+cBWN0M+ft-c4YOiEByx5sN4CLWoxWw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Flag the craigslist post.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019, 8:10 AM Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Really weird. The CF numbers are blocked out. That picture is taken straight out of my blog from 2011, but in that photo the CF number is visible. The life lines are there, which I later removed. I mentioned it in my ad. I would be surprised if the guy I sold it to were doing that, but I intend to find out! I have the guys contact information, and I will call him.
The guy I sold it to was very knowledgeable about boats. He invited me to sail with him anytime, and that the boat will be kept at his house in Santa Rosa.
I will try to get to the bottom of this if I can.
Daniel
On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:58 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I was thinking it looked like your trailer, but that was the standard trailer for most of them anyhow. Somehow I thought your stripe was green but obviously I remembered that wrong!
It says posted two days ago...
Did you sell it to someone in Monterey area, who might have seen it as underpriced, and is trying to 'flip' it for a few grand quick profit?
That would suck...maybe we should 'out' them if that's the case.
Some of the details sound like cut & paste of your ad. You'd think they could at least take their own pictures!
And it looks like they've edited out the registration numbers on the bow. I see what looks like a slightly off color blob where that would be. And maybe near stern, did you have her name there in white on the red?
This is weird...
cheers, John
On 9/3/19 10:31 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: OK, that is really peculiar. That is a photo of my boat Kestrel taken around 2011 when I first bought her from Bob Becker. That is my boat in front of my house. Why this photo is being used without my permission is really strange. I wonder what the story is here? I just sold the boat on Saturday. Daniel
On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:25 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Just stumbled over this while looking for something else:
https://monterey.craigslist.org/boa/d/monterey-montgomery-15-sailboat-and/69...
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Message: 10 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 12:59:45 +0000 From: Thomas Howe <Thomas@thomashoweonline.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA Message-ID: <BYAPR11MB35589304B15620A5E4B968B0AFB80@BYAPR11MB3558.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Scammer. This is a common ploy in the Real Estate world. They scrape the picture and data, and repost.Try contacting the seller, as a na?ve buyer. You will be asked to send a deposit, and there will be no face to face contact with the party. This is a major problem with CList.
Thomas Howe McGrew Real Estate 785-550-1169
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Gail Russell Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 5:45 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Another Monty 15 for sale, in Monterey, CA
Flag the craigslist post.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019, 8:10 AM Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Really weird. The CF numbers are blocked out. That picture is taken straight out of my blog from 2011, but in that photo the CF number is visible. The life lines are there, which I later removed. I mentioned it in my ad. I would be surprised if the guy I sold it to were doing that, but I intend to find out! I have the guys contact information, and I will call him.
The guy I sold it to was very knowledgeable about boats. He invited me to sail with him anytime, and that the boat will be kept at his house in Santa Rosa.
I will try to get to the bottom of this if I can.
Daniel
On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:58 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I was thinking it looked like your trailer, but that was the standard trailer for most of them anyhow. Somehow I thought your stripe was green but obviously I remembered that wrong!
It says posted two days ago...
Did you sell it to someone in Monterey area, who might have seen it as underpriced, and is trying to 'flip' it for a few grand quick profit?
That would suck...maybe we should 'out' them if that's the case.
Some of the details sound like cut & paste of your ad. You'd think they could at least take their own pictures!
And it looks like they've edited out the registration numbers on the bow. I see what looks like a slightly off color blob where that would be. And maybe near stern, did you have her name there in white on the red?
This is weird...
cheers, John
On 9/3/19 10:31 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: OK, that is really peculiar. That is a photo of my boat Kestrel taken around 2011 when I first bought her from Bob Becker. That is my boat in front of my house. Why this photo is being used without my permission is really strange. I wonder what the story is here? I just sold the boat on Saturday. Daniel
On Sep 3, 2019, at 10:25 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Just stumbled over this while looking for something else:
https://monterey.craigslist.org/boa/d/monterey-montgomery-15-sailboat- and/6969465141.html
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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