Jerry, I think that a self bailing anchor well with a hinged lid on the foredeck is about the greatest thing since sliced bread. A friend had that arrangement on his Beneteau 235 and the Hardy 20 Family pilot (Pilot house offshore motor cruiser) I had for canal cruising in Germany had one. It is wonderful to have the anchor, rode and dock lines stowed there and not have to drag a muddy anchor and rode around the boat. Once stowed, a couple of buckets of water will wash the anchor clean and drain out through the scupper. Being a traditionalist, I like the looks of the vertical deckhouse bulkhead especially if the deckhouse is rounded like the Cape cod cats. The forward hatch on griselda sure is nice in the Texas heat and I have a wind sock for mine. If I were designing a new boat for myself, it would absolutely, positively have an anchor locker and a forward hatch. My 2 Euros worth. Ron M17 #14, Griselda
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:48:00 -0700 Subject: Re: M_Boats: more market research!
A Vagabond 17! it was designed by a good friend, Ron Holder, and tooled and buillt by another good friend, Chuck Guy. Ron and I worked out the rudder together that I used on the 15, and he used on his 17. We got the idea from that cat made in Florida- can't remember the name, but it was about 24', and we copied it with their permission. Their display at the Long Beach show that year ws right next to ours, and we went out for dinner and drinks (several of them) after the show one nite, and that's when we got permission to use their rudder design!
I looked at the Vagabond as a "beer drinking" boat; very stable because of the hard chine, but not too lively. Ron and I took one to a race at Havasu in the good old days, and got hammered by about 4 of my 17's. A good way to lose a race!
Thanks for your comments.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad & Jackie Evans" <rignbig@charter.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: more market research!
Jerry,
I sail a Vagabond 17, and a M-15. Day sailing, I love the lively attitude of the M-15, reminds me of my younger dingy days, but, starting out on a 4-5 hour cruising day, I prefer the stability of the V-17.
On some of my cruising days, I sailed with 2 M-15s, one of which I now own. If the forecast was for building winds the M-15s would start out with their smaller jibs. They both were sailing solo, and did not want to go forward to change. Usually, having roller furling, I would have to unnecessarily reduce my sail area to wait for them. They were slow until, if ever, the wind picked up. So, maybe go tall, and reef the main first. Much easier to do solo, and you don’t sail slow waiting for the wind. Seems to me that if you reef the top down to the jib head, you now have the mast head rig of the 17….just my observation, I am not an expert.
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