Jim: Jerry and his crew built near 450 M15s that have the Nicopress eyes and the thru bolt at the hounds. I can't remember when I've read/heard one of these failing (I've read/seen the M15 shroud chainplates at the hull joint failing - one of the bolts because of crevice corrosion). The lower machine swag fitting I've also done - using the same tool, meaning the tool Jerry actually used, to attach the fitting to the wire. I've built many M15 standing rigs myself. The work is easy and nothing complicated for an competent shop. The West Marine Rigging locations have trained staff. Same goes for smaller rigging shops. The M15 rig is simple and strong. Folks have bent their masts after hitting trees and the shrouds survive with no obvious damage (though I would recommend replacing as they have obviously been stressed). :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Fri, May 6, 2022, 12:18 PM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
That’s the problem
How do you know if it was done right until you have lost your mast.
On my M15 the top of the shroud has a mickeymouse crimped fitting with a thimble and a thru bolt in the mast. It has served me well for the 40 yr I have owned the Pelican. It seem like a similar rigging would work just as well at the bottom of the shroud only with "hardware store" cable clamps.
As I am rounding the west end of Catalina I would at least not be wondering about the workman ship and experience of the technician at West Marine.
Does anyone ever load test these? They do this with crane rigging as a requirement.
Thanx Dave for your incite on this and everything else you have helped me with
I am on a mission to rig the Pelican to sail in the "real ocean" and be able to respond to those who ask "Does this cute little boat really go into the ocean?"
Capt Jim SV. Pelican
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Jim:
can't you get a local rigger to do it right? Or send them to a rigger by mail? West Marine Rigging, or any rigging shop, can make you a new set.
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On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:32 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Yes (3) per connection with SS thimbles
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You mean hardware store wire rope clamps like this?
https://www.acehardware.com/departments/hardware/chain-and-rope/rope-a nd-chain-accessories/5007037
Or something else?
cheers, John
On 5/6/22 08:10, Jim Sadler wrote:
Any of u skippers us cable clamps for standing rigging? Bad idea?
Thanks Capt Jim SV Pelican M 15
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