I use a 6hp Yamaha long shaft on my wooden Picaroon, weighing 2000lbs. Best thing I’ve done for power on this boat (have owned her since 1977). Keith K Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 8:56:37 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 240, Issue 5 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: M23 Outboards (Dave Scobie) 2. Re: M23 Outboards (Gerald Wyatt) 3. Re: M23 Outboards (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 08:21:58 -0800 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M23 Outboards To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4+MJac_0tSQjeeh=kG2iyBhVUgjLfDYQ8TsJu7A_kjaA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Different HPs for many reasons including: - Cost - fuel efficiency - Safe boat operation (max HP) - transom strength (amount of stress higher HP puts in structure) Currently Honda uses the same powerhead form the Honda 4/5/6. I actually think, based only on looking at the motor size & weight, that the Honda 8 is also the same powerhead as the 9.9, 15 and 20 as the 15/20 is only a few pounds heavier than the 8/9.9. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 08:13 Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for the input. The 6hp seems like a good option, but I’m hesitant.
The M23 is a large boat. One of it’s weaknesses is it’s height above the water. Really high winds really impact her ability to make headway. Pointing ability also suffers because she gets pushed downwind. I even have the high thrust prop.
I’ve been in some high wind situations on Lake Chelan and have had to really crank up my 8 hp 2-stroke to make 2-3 knots. The cabin space comes at a cost and I think that is why Jerry didn’t care for the deck design. It’s good for my family of four and we love the boat. It sails great in winds up to 15 kts and only suffers beyond that.
I’ll look at the Honda engines. Interesting that 8 and 9.9 might be the same engine. If they are the same weight, why would anyone bother with the 8? I’ll look more into it.
Is Flicka an M23?
Thanks,
Gerry
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Gerry,
In the case of Honda outboards, the 8 and the 9.9 are identical weights for the x-long 25" shaft. I expect they are the same engine, with the 8 simply being detuned.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Wyatt" <wyattgs@gmail.com> To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 12:01:19 PM Subject: M_Boats: M23 Outboards
Hello,
I’m not sure how many Montgomery 23 owners are using this list, but I was curious what outboards you use. I’ve been using an 8 hp 2-stroke with 25” shaft, but I can’t find an 8hp 4-stroke with the 25” shaft. Obviously, no one makes a 2-stroke any more. The 9.9 4-stroke has a 25” option but just feels too big and heavy.
Thanks,
Gerry
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 16:50:14 +0000 From: Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M23 Outboards To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <MWHPR04MB067032B62702FCFCEE01AC3BF3A49@MWHPR04MB0670. namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hi Dave, Thanks. That makes sense. Do you recommend the Honda outboards? In my experience with their cars and lawn mowers, they are super reliable. Thank you, Gerry Get Outlook for iOS<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fo0ukef&data=05%7C01%7C%7C79eba9bbe3944b73640508db1363724e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638125090089052515%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OQp1TCEusK8x0a8wDsQ%2BxSCpIYKzB4N08Q%2FqeZefRIw%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 8:21:58 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M23 Outboards Different HPs for many reasons including: - Cost - fuel efficiency - Safe boat operation (max HP) - transom strength (amount of stress higher HP puts in structure) Currently Honda uses the same powerhead form the Honda 4/5/6. I actually think, based only on looking at the motor size & weight, that the Honda 8 is also the same powerhead as the 9.9, 15 and 20 as the 15/20 is only a few pounds heavier than the 8/9.9. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 08:13 Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for the input. The 6hp seems like a good option, but I’m hesitant.
The M23 is a large boat. One of it’s weaknesses is it’s height above the water. Really high winds really impact her ability to make headway. Pointing ability also suffers because she gets pushed downwind. I even have the high thrust prop.
I’ve been in some high wind situations on Lake Chelan and have had to really crank up my 8 hp 2-stroke to make 2-3 knots. The cabin space comes at a cost and I think that is why Jerry didn’t care for the deck design. It’s good for my family of four and we love the boat. It sails great in winds up to 15 kts and only suffers beyond that.
I’ll look at the Honda engines. Interesting that 8 and 9.9 might be the same engine. If they are the same weight, why would anyone bother with the 8? I’ll look more into it.
Is Flicka an M23?
Thanks,
Gerry
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Gerry,
In the case of Honda outboards, the 8 and the 9.9 are identical weights for the x-long 25" shaft. I expect they are the same engine, with the 8 simply being detuned.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Wyatt" <wyattgs@gmail.com> To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 12:01:19 PM Subject: M_Boats: M23 Outboards
Hello,
I’m not sure how many Montgomery 23 owners are using this list, but I was curious what outboards you use. I’ve been using an 8 hp 2-stroke with 25” shaft, but I can’t find an 8hp 4-stroke with the 25” shaft. Obviously, no one makes a 2-stroke any more. The 9.9 4-stroke has a 25” option but just feels too big and heavy.
Thanks,
Gerry
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 08:56:06 -0800 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M23 Outboards To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7niE4nVarUrCtmfOUq4bTHaCdOf=3kEgHutoGgBgxNuA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I've had very good luck with the Hondas. Big thing is follow the oil change schedule and always run fresh fuel. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 08:50 Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dave,
Thanks. That makes sense.
Do you recommend the Honda outboards? In my experience with their cars and lawn mowers, they are super reliable.
Thank you,
Gerry
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Different HPs for many reasons including:
- Cost - fuel efficiency - Safe boat operation (max HP) - transom strength (amount of stress higher HP puts in structure)
Currently Honda uses the same powerhead form the Honda 4/5/6.
I actually think, based only on looking at the motor size & weight, that the Honda 8 is also the same powerhead as the 9.9, 15 and 20 as the 15/20 is only a few pounds heavier than the 8/9.9.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 08:13 Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for the input. The 6hp seems like a good option, but I’m hesitant.
The M23 is a large boat. One of it’s weaknesses is it’s height above the water. Really high winds really impact her ability to make headway. Pointing ability also suffers because she gets pushed downwind. I even have the high thrust prop.
I’ve been in some high wind situations on Lake Chelan and have had to really crank up my 8 hp 2-stroke to make 2-3 knots. The cabin space comes at a cost and I think that is why Jerry didn’t care for the deck design. It’s good for my family of four and we love the boat. It sails great in winds up to 15 kts and only suffers beyond that.
I’ll look at the Honda engines. Interesting that 8 and 9.9 might be the same engine. If they are the same weight, why would anyone bother with the 8? I’ll look more into it.
Is Flicka an M23?
Thanks,
Gerry
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Gerry,
In the case of Honda outboards, the 8 and the 9.9 are identical weights for the x-long 25" shaft. I expect they are the same engine, with the 8 simply being detuned.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Wyatt" <wyattgs@gmail.com> To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 12:01:19 PM Subject: M_Boats: M23 Outboards
Hello,
I’m not sure how many Montgomery 23 owners are using this list, but I was curious what outboards you use. I’ve been using an 8 hp 2-stroke with 25” shaft, but I can’t find an 8hp 4-stroke with the 25” shaft. Obviously, no one makes a 2-stroke any more. The 9.9 4-stroke has a 25” option but just feels too big and heavy.
Thanks,
Gerry
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