I'm confused. Is the 2 Cycle ok to use in the Ocean, like the Pacific? I know Lake Tahoe won't allow 2 cycle outboards. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert Landin" <gilbert@mindgame.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17 and trim
I am currently using a 2004 suzuki 4 hp 4 stroke, I love it. It has plenty of power to push your boat. I have never gone more than 1/2 throttle and at that I am about hull speed. Get the long shaft since even that the water intake comes out of the water when you go forward.
gil
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On Behalf Of Larry E Yake Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:43 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17 and trim
I've been using a Suzuki 2 cycle 4 horse and it's been fine, but as I recall, on the Suzuki 4 cycles, the 6 horse doesn't weigh any more than the 4 horse and has more propeller options. It's more expensive of course. Something to check out. It's also nice to have both the internal and external tanks. The charging coil runs an extra $150 or so. Another nice option for cruising.
Larry
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:35:18 -0700 gmhyde1@mac.com writes:
Larry: I'm motor shopping. Do you think the 4 hp Suzuki is big enough for the M17, or is 6 hp necessary? --Gary
On Aug 05, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Larry E Yake wrote:
Hey, that nice white M17 at Vashon Island was probably Dik and Ann
Lang's "Sweet Pea" and that gas engine hanging on the stern would be their new Suzuki 4hp 4stroke. (The engine I would like to get.) They were on the San Juan trip this year.
Tullamore sits pretty level when loaded for a trip. I move the ice chest into the cabin and shove the duffel bag forward on the V berth when I start sailing. If I have a passenger or 2, that's not enough and the stern drags some.
Larry
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:05:43 -0700 Frederick M Berthrong <fthrong@juno.com> writes:
Thanks Larry,
Yes, I am using an electric trolling motor and so far it has worked very well (though I still tell everyone interested ... or not .. that it is an experiment). It weighs about 17 lbs or the entire package including batteries weighs about 120 lbs. Probably not too far different than a small gas 4-stroke plus extra fuel just the location of the weight is different.
She sails very nicely trimmed as she is with the batteries forward. With two medium sized humans in the cockpit the trim is about neutral. It just looks a bit funny to see this beauty nose down a bit on the buoy or for that matter when I am motoring solo. Under sail she seems to look and act right smart.
I guess my real question is ... How do the other M17s float with all the gear on board ready for a short sail but absent the Lord and Master and the various mates? ( I was recently in Puget Sound and in particular in Quartermaster Harbor on Vashon Island (terrific wind!) and there in the Dockton public marina sat a lovely white hull M17. I didn't have time to look closely but she seemed to be sitting nice and level and, yes, Larry, she did have a gas engine hanging off the stern.)
Thanks for your input. I'll continue fussing with this to see what combination works best.
Fred Dulce
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:48:02 -0700 Larry E Yake <leyake@juno.com> writes:
Fred, I didn't see any other replies on this, so I'll give it a shot. According to Jerry and the speed guys, the rule of thumb on both the M17 and the M15 is get the weight as far forward as possible. You want to have the transom out of the water as much as possible for good boat speed, as it causes drag. 3 inches seems like a lot, but you're carrying a lot of battery weight there. Are you using an electric motor? If
you don't have an outboard hanging on the transom, that would explain
the difference in trim. I wouldn't think you'd want to move the weight
much further back than the mast support. Larry
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:38:05 -0700 Frederick M Berthrong <fthrong@juno.com> writes:
M-17 ers,
I have two, frame 24 batteries which I installed on a platform which is glassed in just forward of the mast support strattling the centerline and under the bunks. I haven't weighed them but that is about 100 lbs
total. The problem is Dulce sits in the water heavy by the bow (about
three inches lower in the bow) . I concluded that the two batteries are
the reason. I temporarily, just to check it out, moved the batteries
aft and on either side of the CB trunk. This helped the trim but did not
correct it entirely. It is clear that the bow section displaces less water than the stern part so it is logical that heavy stuff be stowed aft.
But
even with the 100 lbs of battery further aft she sits with the stern
about an inch or more higher than the bow as indicated by the factory located water line (boat fully rigged but with no humans on board).
Does anyone else have this issue?
Once I get a couple of folks in the cockpit everything evens out.
Is that by design?
Fred Berthrong Dulce M17 #300
On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:06:05 -0700 "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> writes: > If I can comment- that's probably the best place for a battery. > > Jerry > jerrymontgomery.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Gilbert" <hammerguy@mindspring.com> > To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:01 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17 > > >> Hi Steve: >> >> The original battery location on my M17 was under the port berth, > but it > was >> too small for the monster battery I just bought for Tiny > Dancer.(1000AH- > at >> least it's a monster to me) Since the battery weighs 55 lbs, I
> figure it's >> pretty good ballast, so I've built a high-sided box of epoxy
and
>> glass-covered plywood, and epoxied that along the centerline
of
> the boat >> just forward of the mast support under the Vberth. The
battery
is > a little >> harder to get to, but it should work a little better than the
> stock setup >> with regards to trim. It'll be harder to check the water in
it's
> new >> location, but it's well secured and should stay in place. >> >> Best >> BG >> >> -- >> Brian Gilbert >> Marine Media >> Author, Fix It and Sail >> (423)876-9990 >> 3404 Hartford Drive >> Chattanooga, TN 37415 >> www.sailingsmall.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >
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