Tom, It is just a b*stardized M-17 - I think I remember Jerry saying it was very 'personalized'. A couple things are improper retro-fits - C-25 tiller that has been broken /repaired and now sits somewhat down in the cockpit the way it should, motor mount etc. Not all of it is an improvement - some of it is there for giggles and shifts! GO See ya in Havasu - In a message dated 12/12/2009 11:32:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, tjenk@gte.net writes: GO, One more reason to do Havasu in Feb; We can wait for you to rig up and check it all out. With 52 signed up, this will be the ultimate boat show. TJ On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:58 PM, GILASAILR@aol.com wrote:
Joe, That is the tip of my spreader that was built as a fixed spreader (non-swinging) when Ballenger Spars built a new mast for my boat. It is a nice clean solution that allows for capturing the wire and allowing for movement - nicely executed too IMO. The original spar was in sad shape and pretty well beat up- I also wanted to convert to tall rig so that was the time to make a number of changes. T-ball terminals at the upper ends of the shrouds, thru-bar for spreaders, swept tapered airfoil spreaders (to counter the need for a baby stay common on tall rigs), welded masthead /truck, internal halyards, fixed gooseneck, mast gate, etc. All of these features are things I have come to see as 'good' based on experience and features on previously owned boats - S2 ,J Boat, Ranger Sailboats, Beneteau.
I am impressed with Buzz Ballenger & CO.'s work, pricing, schedule and they even found a "ride" for the mast from Watsonville CA to Phoenix for a song and a dance! My welder buddy says - Good+++ welding (ask Sean Mulligan - the welder knows his welding and fabrication!)
Not all of these may not be great ideas - but they are 'my mix' and I guess that is what it is about. Or as a buddy on another list says "It's my opinion and it is damn well RIGHT!" For whomever it was that really cared - The boat is back to single lower shroud configuration - with the added bonus of four additional 1/2 " holes in my deck!
To answer your second question it is a stock tip from Ballenger I believe. An afterburner.
60 days +- til the Lake Havasu Ran Tan / Poker Run / Raid / and Daughters of the Tarp$ Revolution Sailing Demonstration! (Remember, this is NOT a competition - it's an exhibition - no wagering! And for safety's sake - always wear these........)
GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way
In a message dated 12/11/2009 6:43:33 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, seagray@embarqmail.com writes:
GO, Is that a picture of your yard? Interesting tip with the strap to trap the shroud. Was that a standard yard when you got your Monty or is that an afterburner?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <GILASAILR@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: cleat on M17 mast
Tom,
Try a deck organizer at the forward corner of the house (perpendicular to the mast step I have a pair of Harken 6052 ESP deck organizers on my boat (see photo) - it is a tight fit but they go in the space available.
I will stack a sheave on the starboard side so the main halyard, reef and cunningham can all go to the triple stopper.
Waiting for my economic stimulus to buy a new Harken 6AL or similar.for the main halyard (reefing umph).
The port side has one double organizer - the jib halyard winch and the two jib/genoa halyards in a double stopper - both sets of lines come right down the companionway hatch slides and have "plenty of room".
If one was to use camcleats, I think you would have to stagger them due to overlap - stoppers are narrower - (search fleabay for 'em to get affordable ones-make sure you get the right line size)
_Click here: http://www.msogphotosite.com/MSOG/blbgf/blbgf3.jpg_ (http://www.msogphotosite.com/MSOG/blbgf/blbgf3.jpg) my boat showing organizer -
_http://www.mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/mer chant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HAR6052&Category_Code=ESPORG_
(http://www.mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HAR6052&Category_Code=ESPORG)
organizers.
GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way
In a message dated 12/10/2009 3:50:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tjenk@gte.net writes:
Bill,
I'm not sure what a gooseneck horn is, but I presently have a large stainless reefing hook on the starboard end of the clevis pin through the tack cringle. I rigged a short tag of line through each reef cringle, with a monkey's fist on one end to hold it in the cringle, and a loop on he other end to throw over the hook. This works fine, and is easier than working cringles over the hook, but it is slower to shake out a reef than I would like. I am planning on putting a small cheek block with becket on either side of the boom just behind the gooseneck fitting, with jam cleats a foot or so aft. The two reefing lines will run from the opposite becket, through the reef cringle, down to the block, and back to the jam cleat. The aft reefing lines will be similar, but the lines will be anchored on eyestraps opposite. Lucky me, I will get to try the system out at Havasu in February, but I still don't think the halyard setup on the mast is optimal. It would be nice to run the main halyard through a spring-loaded turning block at the mast base, and back to a winch on the cabin top, but it is harder to rig at the ramp, and the cabin-top geometry runs a line over the hatch, if I recall correctly. Let's face it: fiddling with rigging is half the fun on days when the boat sits on a trailer.
Tom
M17 hull 626 (must have been in the mold when yours went out the door).
On Dec 10, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Bill Wickett wrote:
Rick,
Where have you mounted the gooseneck horn. Our boat does not have any reefing lines rigged and that is #2 on the list for spring.
Thanks,
Bill Wickett M17 #622
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom,
Why do you have to cleat it with one hand? After hooking the luff cringle over the gooseneck horn, (or cleating off the jiffy reefing line, if you happen to have one), there should be two hands available to tension and cleat the halyard.
Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
On 12/10/09, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I wonder if anyone out there has replaced the main halyard cleat with a large jam cleat (or even a cam cleat) to facilitate the reefing process. I find it cumbersome to reach out from the cockpit with one hand and cleat the halyard off while trying to keep it taut. Am I missing something that might make a regular cleat the only choice?
Thanks, Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
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