I really think the idea of the smaller boat is a good one. The Montgomery 15 is about perfect. My only complaint is that you cannot beach it easily. This is where the Potter has an advantage. In every other way the Montgomery is a superior boat. In terms of carbon on the deck, I think it is reasonable to try to reduce costs, and would probably skip that. It would seem like you would sell more boats that way. These cruising boats are really not built for speed anyway. I would keep it simple. They have sold a gazillion of those potters. They are not fast boats. But they're really fun. Daniel On Mar 16, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Tod <htmills@zoominternet.net> wrote:
Given the aging demographics of sailors, Stan might be onto something.
I haven't seen the interior of the Sage, but have often thought a Spartan-but-comfortable interior in a 21-23 footer would be nice.
It would be a lighter boat than the M23 and with more of a M17 interior except with better cabin ergonomics for comfort. Just separate settee bunks for two, a spot for a porta-potty behind a curtain or possibly bulkhead at the mast, and a little counter space. Open bin stowage for duffles.
Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Stan Susman Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 5:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject)
Hey jm, what about a bigger boat? I'm too damn fat for a smaller one
________________________________ From: jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: montgomery forum <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 1:04 PM Subject: M_Boats: (no subject)
Hi- Almost three years ago I asked the members of the M list for advice and opinions on ideas that we had regarding a new project that eventually became the Sage 17. We gave great consideration to your opinions and ideas and there is absolutely no doubt that its a better boat because of you. The checks are in the mail!
Were starting to get serious about a smaller version of the Sage, and Id like to ask you for your help again. What we have in mind is a simple, three-stay rig, maybe even a cat rig, and possibly a dagger keel with a bulb in order to make it sit lower on the trailer and be beachable. We dont want purely water ballast because of the performance limitations, but a combo of water and a lead slug on the end of the daggerboard might be worth considering in order to hold down trailering weight.
We might be able to squeeze in a couple of low places to sit, by dropping the aft end of the interior down a few inches and for sleeping, fill in with thicker foam cushions. There would be storage under the settees, but not as much as otherwise.
Id also like to hear your comments on the carbon deck like on the 17. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it is one of the secrets of the S 17s performance, kind of like free horsepower except that it isnt really free in that it will make the boat cost at least a thousand dollars more. (After that it's free)! In your mind, is it worth the extra money? In the early 70s Montgomery Marine, in the Montgomery 17 was the first American builder of production boats to use end-grain balsa in the deck. (C&C Yachts, in Canada, was the first, I believe) Now, pretty much all but the cheepie builders use it. I think theres a good chance that carbon will do the same thing.
jerry
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