Joe: Check out the Pardey's "Storm Tactics". They show how to stop the tacking when using a sea anchor; I'm going to try it with ground anchoring. Basically they run a line from a sheet winch out to a snatch block that rolls along the anchor line. They adjust the length of that auxiliary line to keep the boat at an angle to the wind such that it won't tack. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' On Mar 23, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Another thought.... If the chain doesn't work, I'll try to create a bridle through the opposing bow chock to make the pull of the rode even with the center line of the boat..... Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Murphy To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: shallow water
Great food for thought. I had heard from someone that the chain should be 2/3 the length of the boat. I have 12' of 1/4" chain on 1/2" nylon rode. I haven't used this anchor rig yet but will check it out. I thought the cause of 'sailing at anchor' was due to having the anchor rode pulling off center through the bow chocks. The offsetting slack and tautness caused by even the slightest sea roll would put enough yaw that it would cause pointing back and forth in different directions and that the only solution was to mount a bow roller right off the nose. However, before I think about a bow roller I think I'll test out different lengths of chain like you suggest. I also heard that your anchor should weigh more than your chain??? I haven't figured out the logic for that one... Joe M17 Seafrog #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: shallow water
Just a comment on chain- I've seen where M owners have remarked on boats sailing at anchor, but I've never had that problem except for the 23. Could it be that the reason for this is the fact that I always use at least 20 feet of chain? I think it's a possibility. I've spent the nite on boats that had a short, light chain, and the difference is pronounced in terms of jerking around on the anchor.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: shallow water
On occasion, I "beach" the boat on our rocky shorelines, which does the hull no favors.
Nosing up to the shoreline, I drop my second anchor, with 15' of chain, off the stern, and that will be in deep water, with plenty of scope out. Probably 75 feet or more. As I get close to shore, I cleat the stern anchor line off at a length so when actually on the shore, the chain is stretched out. I then hop ashore with my first anchor or simply a long dock line, that ties to the bow. Once ashore, the weight of the stern anchor chain pulls the boat off the shore. The bow line or anchor holds the boat from drifting out to sea. I'm on shore, the boat is floating free and not banging on anything. To leave, I pull it back in, hop aboard and the process of raising the stern anchor backs me off the beach.
Something to consider.
On Mar 20, 2010, at 3:04 PM, R.K.Graves wrote:
Hi Tom,
I know of the photo you are referring to. The two of us in our 15's were sailing in company with Larry Yake on Lower Priest Lake. We did nose both boats onto the sandy beach but my intention was to keep the keel and centerboards above the bottom. You can't tell this from the picture but at the stern of the 15's the water is probably 3 ft deep. There is not a lot of clearance between the centerboard and its cavity inside the keel. In my opinion it would not take much grit at all to jam the center board inside the cavity. The other problem we noticed when nosing in the 15's like this is because they were not hard aground any wave action caused quite a bit of abrasion to the bow area in contact with the sand. You don't see Larry in his 17 in that picture, but he is anchored a few yards away in deeper water.
The keel/centerboard arrangement on the 15 is the same as the late-1988 and newer 17's. In my opinion it is too much of a risk to the keel/centerboard to beach either boat.
Randy M17 #410 Formerly, M15 #407
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Folks, As an ex-Potter sailor with a 17, I just can't seem to give up the desire to pull into a sandy or muddy beach and jump off for a stroll. I hate to bring this up again, but I am wondering if sand or mud will inevitably jam the centerboard if I come in until the keel touches. Anybody actually tried this, and what happened? Bob has a picture of two 15s on his Montgomery website doing just this, but I don't know how different the keel and centerboard arrangements are. Finally, if the centerboard should jam with some debris, is there any way to pull or push it down without swimming upside down with a pry bar? Thanks, Tom Jenkins M17 #626 Scintilla
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