Outboards, etc. Hello Sandra.. Good questions, etc. I have both a Honda 2, 15" (came with the boat) and a Yamaha 2.5, 15". I use them on a M15 with an adjustable bracket. They both work well, I favor the Yamaha. My personal plan is to sell off the Honda, and keep the Yamaha for freshwater use, and pick up a 3.5, 20" something for salt water sailing. I checked with my local Merc. dealer and he said they have a kit to adapt a small motor to use an external tank for cruising. I'll have to check on that a bit more. Regards, Randy W. M15 "Becca Anne" Texas
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1. Outboard for M15 long 20" or short 15" shaft? (Sandra Anton) 2. Re: M15 V cleat change ideas (chbenneck@sbcglobal.net) 3. Re: New M15 owners (Bill Kaiser) 4. Re: Outboard for M15 long 20" or short 15" shaft? (W David Scobie) 5. Re: Outboard for M15 long 20" or short 15" shaft? (Bill Kaiser) 6. Re: M10 (W David Scobie)
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Outboard for M15 long 20" or short 15" shaft? Message-ID: <510079.97986.qm@web50807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Just purchased a Montgomery 15 and would like any recomendations for outboards. I have a Yamah 4 stroke 4 hp but I think it is too heavy. Considering Honda 2 and Yamah 2.5. Barnegat Bay NJ boater
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:50:57 -0400 From: "chbenneck@sbcglobal.net" <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 V cleat change ideas Message-ID: <49DF9511.3040905@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Joe,
The answer is yes.... I had fairleads on the cam cleats.
With fairleads, you are not concerned with incoming jib sheet angle, since the fairlead will than feed the jib sheet directly into the cam cleat.
Then, if you want to release the jib sheet, you just give the jib sheet in the cam cleat an upwards yank and it's free to fly - while the jib sheet still remains in place (did you put a figure eight knot in the end?).
Jam cleats are fine for hanging fenders but not for a jib sheet where you want instant - and immediate - release in an emergency situation. With a jam cleat, if you are hit by a heavy gust, the pull on the jib sheet just seats the jib sheet more firmly in the "Vee" teeth of the jam cleat. To release it, your force will have to equal the wind gust force, plus some more force to unseat the jib sheet from the "Vee" cleat.
I recognized this during our first sail in our M15, and immediately made the change to improve the action of the "emergency brake"
Happy sailing,
Connie
Joe Murphy wrote:
Connie, Did you use cam cleats with the fairleads?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 V cleat change ideas
Hi Jared,
My M15 originally came with the V jam cleats when I bought it.
After a few sails, I immediately found that I hated them...., so I replaced them with cam cleats.
Reasons: The V cleats require a lot of force to release the jib sheet- the stronger the gust, the more force you need to release the sheets.. If I get hit with an unseen gust, I want to be able to release the jib sheet instantly and easily, and not have to struggle with a jib sheet jammed into a V cleat. I want to be able to get instant jib sheet release just by jerking the jib sheet out of the cam cleat.
So, both jib sheet V cleats were replaced with cam cleats, and thereafter life was pleasant, and jib sheets were instantly releasable, whenever I deemed it necessary.
My $0.02 worth
Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO
Jared Prindle wrote:
After the first sail, I found that I really need to change the jib sheet V-cleats as they are really worn down and hardly hold the line at all. I'm looking for advice to what would be best and and using the original holes in the cabin. Option 1. Just replace the V cleats with new ones of the same size. The only reason I don't go right out and do this is that the existing ones seem to be made for a min of 5/16 line. Wouldn't it be better to have a Med size one that could accept 1/4" and 5/16" line? I also couldn't find any V cleat at this size with a fairlead built in which seems better to have one then not.
Option 2. Get the Medium size V cleat with the fairlead built in. Use some Starboard or hardwood to build a base (maybe even wedge to give a better yank angle). Mount the V-cleat into the wood and the wood into the original holes in the cabin.
Option 3. Make a wood base as above but add moving cam cleats like what's used on the mainsheet.
Thanks for your advice. Jared "Lil p"
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Message: 3 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:58:02 -0700 From: Bill Kaiser <whkaiser@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New M15 owners Message-ID: <51e5702f0904101158y2d904991y8d77f49cdb7bb238@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Welcome Jared my wife and I are new M15 owners as of October 2008 did a Group sail in February the Havasu Poker run Lake Havasu Arizona and several of the SoCal Potters group came over including Capt Howie. It was a good time and nice folks would recommend it.
Bill M15 Desert Dawn Phoenix AZ
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Welcome Jared! I'm sure you will enjoy this group as much as I have over the last year. They have an abundant amount of great advice and experience and love to brag, brag, brag! Good luck with your projects. What ever you are thinking of doing, my bet is that someone has done it and twenty others have an opionion on how to do it!! Joe Seafrog M-17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Prindle" <jared@tonyhawk.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:48 PM Subject: M_Boats: New M15 owners
Hi, I'm not sure if this is the correct way to post a new thread but I'm
going for it anyway. My wife and I just purchased a 1984 M15 from a really nice family north of Sacramento. We made a long drive (w/ our 2yr old) up from Oceanside to pick it up last week. We found the boat to be in amazing condition. It was spent it's whole life in fresh water and didn't have a sign of any corrosion anywhere...quite amazing. Everything was in great working condition. Jerry built these boats well. Anyway I just wanted to introduce myself as I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions in the future. I've taken her out once and had a great time but have a few little projects I'd like to do to her in the near future.
Jared
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Message: 4 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Outboard for M15 long 20" or short 15" shaft? Message-ID: <578500.67918.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
honda 2HP with the long shaft (20"). ? SCRED's is an '05 motor and has never, knock on wood, let me down.? the only day i've had difficulty starting the motor was the time i test-sailed the boat before purchase.? 9 out of 10 times the motor starts on the first pull. ? i would only think of a different motor, or a larger 2.5 or 3, horsepower was marketed with an external tank option. ? anything over 3HP on an M15 is OVERKILL.? 2 HP is just fine 95% of the time. ? i motor at 1/2-2/3 throttle and see 3.5+ to knots to a bit over 4kts.? at 1/2 throttle can get up to 1hr 15min of run time between 'fill ups'.? 2/3 throttle run time is around 45 to 50 minutes. ? ? dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
--- On Fri, 4/10/09, Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com> wrote:
Just purchased a Montgomery 15 and would like any recomendations for outboards. I have a Yamah 4 stroke 4 hp but I think it is too heavy. Considering Honda 2 and Yamah 2.5. Barnegat Bay NJ boater
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Message: 5 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:12:45 -0700 From: Bill Kaiser <whkaiser@gmail.com> To: Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Outboard for M15 long 20" or short 15" shaft? Message-ID: <51e5702f0904101212y64520c4eoae88e9be92cc877@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I have the Honda 2 it starts, gets me in and out of the harbor; haven't done any ocean cruising where tides and currents could be a factor. Upper RPMs to push boat at hull speed the Honda is a little noisy IMO
Bill M15 "Desert Dawn" Phoenix
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Message: 6 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M10 Message-ID: <694546.55074.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
20+ years ago i sailed and rowed MANY miles in a minto.
the minto (aka, rich passage minto and/or kent ranger minto) is about the same size and similar external look (different seating setups).? a minto in good condition with NO?sailing rigging will for for $1000-$1500 (reguardless of age).? the sailing package adds another $500+. ? knowing jerry and his 'need for speed' i have no doubt the M10 is a great sailer ... and if a boat sails well it is likely to row well (the minto is a GREAT rowboat, tender, and sailer which is why it commands such a high price). ? there is a M10 near me here in kent, WA ... Jon Freeman?is restoring one he found in 'rough condition'.? i'm hoping he will allow viewing when he has finished the project. ? ? dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred ? ? --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Bill Kaiser <whkaiser@gmail.com> wrote:
I just bought a 1978 M10 in Phoenix the wood is good needs running rigging paid $550 hope that wasn't to much.
Bill M15 Desert Dawn
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