It looks like Gerry has the same tack pin/reefing hook combo as the one I've been using (from Dwyer). It works fine and, in fact, is the only thing that works if the opening in your mast slot has been relocated to underneath the gooseneck. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of John Schinnerer Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 5:47 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: photo attachment test Just to add...having used the reefing hooks, I am planning to get a mast gate, and switch back to tack reefing lines per the OEM setup. The hooks ideally would attach to the gooseneck itself. If you start browsing pics of well located reef hooks, or look at gooseneck assemblies you can buy, that is where they attach reef hooks. That keeps them very close to (within 1/4-1/2") where your un-reefed tack attaches, both fore-aft and port-starboard. The way some of the M17's have them added on, like yours and mine, they are on or near the front of the mast extrusion. This puts them 1-2+ inches out of alignment with the mast track in both port-starboard and fore-aft directions. So when you actually use them: 1) the boom is twisted laterally from the tension on the hook (force is on the gooseneck joint). 2) the pull on the tack grommet is angled significantly away from the mast (force is on the sail and slugs or boltrope). Both of these put significant off-center leverage from halyard tension on parts of your boat (gooseneck, tack area of mainsail including slugs directly above reef point). And the tension is big, because if it's blowing hard and you reef you want a tight luff on the main, so you make that halyard real snug. I looked at moving my reef hooks to the gooseneck assembly but there just isn't (on mine anyhow) any workable and solid enough place to mount them. If you look at other gooseneck designs, the ones that come with reef hooks are built to have those as part of the design. I moved mine to the very front of the boom extrusion, helped a little, but not enough IMO. There is still more stress than I want to see in reefed conditions on the parts named above. Thus my plan to go back to the OEM setup...and having a mast gate and no need for slug stop in track will be an added benefit. cheers, John On 03/19/2019 02:19 PM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
Your sail track opening has been moved down so the gooseneck would now sit above it. This is a common modification done to address the problem of sail slugs falling out that you mentioned earlier.
You have the cleats right.
The eyestraps and clamcleats are for the o.e. tack reefing system and/or a Cunningham. The o.e. tack reefing system does not work well when the sail track opening is below the gooseneck. Your boat already has the necessary cure, which is a reefing hook on the gooseneck. IMO you don't really need a Cunningham either because it is largely redundant of the gooseneck downhaul.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 4:39 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: photo attachment test
I haven't tried attaching a photo to a mail list server before. If this works, maybe someone can confirm the intended use of all the attachment points. Is the port lower cleat for jib halyard and starboard for main halyard? Then what about the eye straps on the port side and the composite cleats opposite them on the starboard side? I appreciate all the help!
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