I second John's suggestion. I've used good quality whitewater jackets for years for whitewater paddling and sailing. They are more bulky than the inflatable ones now fashionable, but I know I can count on them. Fyi, I don't wear one all the time, just when the conditions warrant... t On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>wrote:
Aloha,
For those not already familiar, and wanting a comfortable PFD ("life jacket") that allows good freedom of movement, cut/designed to be not too bulky, and with pockets and patches (lash tabs/points) for radio, knife, etc., you want to take a look at the upper end of PFDs designed for whitewater and/or sea kayaking and/or river rafting.
cheers, John S.
On 04/01/2013 04:58 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Daniel brings up a good point about lifejackets. On SeaFrog I prefer the buoyant type, rather than the inflatables. I found a real comfortable one that has large arm openings, very comfortable flat back, and 3 pockets. It doesn't get in the way and strangely enough, feels cooler than the 'albatros' neck feeling from an inflatable. But to each his own. I will tell you this. I teach a number of courses for our local Sail and Power Squadron. There a two classes that involve on the water practical use of inflatables. The biggest point that I try to stress is that if you buy an inflatable, get some extra cartridges, and get in the water and pull the trip line. Everyone reacts differently the first time they deploy. Everyone admitted that it wasn't what they were expecting. And the biggest thing I noticed was that not all inflatables are the same. Some are more explosive than others. Some fill faster than others and fill from different parts of the air bag. And the a
utomatic filling varieties are a whole different animal. In the class I told participants that we would provide jackets but if they had their own to bring them. 3 out of 4 people who brought their auto inflate types did not inflate even though the indicator was still green. Point here. Change the packets before every sailing season. One of my favorite gee-I-wish-nobody-was-around-**to-see-this story was the first time that I tried deploying a fanny pack type. I got in the water and deployed it, I nearly got cold-cocked. I was hunched over in the water looking down at my waist and puller the cord. Picture that folks.
Have a great day. Oh, Happy Easter. Joe SeaFrog
----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rich To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 121, Issue 15
These boats are terrific, but there is no boat that cannot be knocked down. The M15 is about as stable a small boat as you will get, but given the right conditions, no doubt it can get swamped. Anything can sink. Now, if you are a lake sailor and never go out in a blow, OK. But anywhere else, nice to have a boat with positive floatation. The M15 is small enough that you can put styrofoam blocks in it with enough lift to keep a fully swamped boat above water. That is a nice feature that you cannot have with a large boat.
So, if it were me, I would definitely put in some styrofoam blocks up front and under the deck seats where most of us have it. Much better than an inflatable tube that you have to make sure has air in it. Styrofoam is as low tech as it gets. Safety is the most important thing to keep in mind while sailing. There is a wonderful article in a recent Small Craft Advisor magazine about the fact that there are no small trips. A very experienced sailor nearly drowns trying to move his boat 100 yards or so. His true confessions tell us all to remember that anything we can do to make safety a priority is important. Styrofoam blocks are passive, low tech, and don't fail.
That is another reason why I have retired my self inflating life jacket. I now use a good foam jacket that will not fail to "deploy." I keep my knife on it, as well as my radio and a few other doodads. This is all information from the Small Boat Sailing academy I attended in Port Townsend with Howard Rice and John Welsford et al.
Daniel M15 #208 Kestrel
On Mar 31, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Tim Erwin <sailtim@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have a Monty 15, a 2007, hull # 641. It was built by NorSea boat builders. My beautiful boat doesn't have any added flotation at all under the vbirth , just a huge storage space under the vbirth. Also, there is no added flotation under the cockpit floor. There is no added positive flotation material at all. I talked to Mr. Eng, owner of the company. He said that the extra floatation isn't necessary because the boat can't be knocked over. He suggested that I put an inner tube under the cockpit floor if it bothered me. He did say that all of the forward individual lockers are floatation. My opinion is that if you put the weather boards in place and close the hatch, water isn't going into the cabin. I can only imagine how bad the cabin would smell with a new inner tube in it. I don't think tire stores smell that great. If it gets windy and rough, be sure to put the boards in and close the hatch, no problem.
Tim Erwin, " Dark Star " # 641
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1. Re: Towing with the extension out (GARY M HYDE) 2. Re: Lifting the M-15 (John Tyner) 3. Re: Towing with the extension out (stevetrapp) 4. Re: Towing with the extension out (GARY M HYDE) 5. Re: Towing with the extension out (Tom Smith) 6. Re: Lifting the M-15 (Robert Hall) 7. Iron centreboard on M17 (Bill Wickett) 8. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (jerry montgomery) 9. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (W David Scobie) 10. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (Bill Wickett) 11. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (Bill Wickett) 12. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (R.K. Graves) 13. Flotation (George R. Iemmolo) 14. Re: Flotation (Tom Smith) 15. Re: Flotation (Conbert Benneck) 16. Re: Flotation (W David Scobie)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:54:06 -1000 From: GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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Steve/ To answer your other Q, I store indoors in winter.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Gary, I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" < griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@**mailman.xmission.com<montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> [mailto:montgomery_boats-**bounces@mailman.xmission.com<montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com>] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:11:50 -0400 From: John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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Hey! That's my boat! (Now, anyway, I bought it from John Harris (of Chesapeake Light Craft) in 2003.) ---- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 3/26/2013 6:22 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
lifting an M15 example using a method related to Jerry's comments on how strong the chainplates and stern cleats are. in this case the 'lifter' is a forklift -
the description of the above here -
http://msogphotosite.com/**M15CBRepl.html<http://msogphotosite.com/M15CBRepl.html>
(you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site).
here is another way -
http://msogphotosite.com/**m15garage.html<http://msogphotosite.com/m15garage.html>
(you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site).
and another -
http://msogphotosite.com/**15breezecb.html<http://msogphotosite.com/15breezecb.html>
(you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site).
if 'smiley' sees these posts he can comment on the lifting bridle he and a boatyard created. i've seen pictures and it is a VERY nice setup.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Tue, 3/26/13, Robert Hall <bert.hall@rogers.com> wrote:
Hello All, Somewhere in the literature on the net I have seen illustrated instructions on how to raise a Monty 15 off its trailer and remove the trailer while lowering the boat onto supports so work can be done on the bottom/keel. To date my search has failed to locate any information of use.Do any of my fellow M-15 owners have any advice? Thanks. RTH.
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:20:28 -0700 From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out Message-ID: <**5C1E20B4FC8C4BDFB48E03316CCFA7**CE@STEVEEW> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Gary, Amazing. Particularly towing it with your Subaru Forester. I have a 2001 Subaru Forester that groans to get my M-15 up the hill from Conkling Park. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. **xmission.com <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
Steve : I've towed the M17 about 10,000 miles including from California, to & from Lake Havasu, 5 times from Pullman to Western WA and back, and many shorter trips, all with a 2004 Subaru Forester Turbo, rated at 2400 pound towing capacity. I also adjusted the trailer axle position to produce a 200 pound tongue weight (about 10% of trailer weight). I also have Trailer brakes, wouldn't leave home without em. Also, I tow usually with the tongue at mid extension as mentioned before. That is NOT the maximum extension sometimes used for launching.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Gary, I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" < griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@**mailman.xmission.com<montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> [mailto:montgomery_boats-**bounces@mailman.xmission.com<montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com>] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:06:07 -1000 From: GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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The turbocharger is the difference, along with the trailer brakes.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:20 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Gary, Amazing. Particularly towing it with your Subaru Forester. I have a 2001 Subaru Forester that groans to get my M-15 up the hill from Conkling Park. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
Steve : I've towed the M17 about 10,000 miles including from California, to & from Lake Havasu, 5 times from Pullman to Western WA and back, and many shorter trips, all with a 2004 Subaru Forester Turbo, rated at 2400 pound towing capacity. I also adjusted the trailer axle position to produce a 200 pound tongue weight (about 10% of trailer weight). I also have Trailer brakes, wouldn't leave home without em. Also, I tow usually with the tongue at mid extension as mentioned before. That is NOT the maximum extension sometimes used for launching.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Gary, I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" < griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
> My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased > distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give > me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto > to be affected. > > George > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces@**mailman.xmission.com<montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> > [mailto:montgomery_boats-**bounces@mailman.xmission.com<montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com>] On Behalf Of Ronald > McNeil > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out > > I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. > The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there > is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it. > > I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up > to 55mph. > I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it > off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet. > > Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason? > > > Thanks, > Ron McNeil > Jackpot
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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:10:33 -0700 From: Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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Aloha Gary!! t
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Tom: Once an engineer, always an engineer. Aloha!
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Gary 'bookworm' Hyde... :-) t
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:33 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
> Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better > leverage on the trailer. > > ~~~_/)~~~ Gary > Sent from my iPhone :-) > > On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" < griemmolo2@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased >> distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal > ("Give >> me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the > auto >> to be affected. >> >> George >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces@**mailman.xmission.com<montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-**bounces@mailman.xmission.com<montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com>] On Behalf Of > Ronald >> McNeil >> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM >> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out >> >> I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the > trailer. >> The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended > there >> is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it. >> >> I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but > speeds up >> to 55mph. >> I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking > it >> off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet. >> >> Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some > reason? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Ron McNeil >> Jackpot
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Message: 6 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:07:15 -0400 From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@rogers.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lifting the M-15 Message-ID: <**97685DE21DBE418C9E425DEBF3AF04**9D@Pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Hi David, That material you sent is exactly what I need. Many thanks. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: W David Scobie Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lifting the M-15
lifting an M15 example using a method related to Jerry's comments on how strong the chainplates and stern cleats are. in this case the 'lifter' is a forklift -
the description of the above here -
http://msogphotosite.com/**M15CBRepl.html<http://msogphotosite.com/M15CBRepl.html>
(you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site).
here is another way -
http://msogphotosite.com/**m15garage.html<http://msogphotosite.com/m15garage.html>
(you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site).
and another -
http://msogphotosite.com/**15breezecb.html<http://msogphotosite.com/15breezecb.html>
(you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still working on updating the site).
if 'smiley' sees these posts he can comment on the lifting bridle he and a boatyard created. i've seen pictures and it is a VERY nice setup.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Tue, 3/26/13, Robert Hall <bert.hall@rogers.com> wrote:
Hello All, Somewhere in the literature on the net I have seen illustrated instructions on how to raise a Monty 15 off its trailer and remove the trailer while lowering the boat onto supports so work can be done on the bottom/keel. To date my search has failed to locate any information of use.Do any of my fellow M-15 owners have any advice? Thanks. RTH.
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Message: 7 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:38:19 -0400 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 Message-ID: <CAFd5cDm=**WDVkm2vELVpsxe8FftH06CZwERjj7E**J_1exKc=8e= Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate? Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
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Message: 8 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:50:27 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 Message-ID: <**D73F15ADF31D4E40B0E04D88BF811D**37@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original"
That was about the time when I switched from steel punchings to lead shot in the ballast; I'd guess that your boat has lead ballast but the old iron board. You can check the ballast by running a compass or magnet over the keel, and the board by crawling under and looking.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wickett" <billwick@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:38 PM Subject: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17
Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate? Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
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Message: 9 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 Message-ID: <1364421310.65307.**YahooMailClassic@web121702.** mail.ne1.yahoo.com<1364421310.65307.YahooMailClassic@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Bill:
from information shared by Randy G. -
In 1988 (roughly at hull #400) the centerboard was changed from 220 lbs cast iron to the same centerboard as is used in the M15, weighing 40 lbs. The M15 is comprised of a fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich and does not require a winch to raise and lower. Also, the ballast was increased to compensate for the change in centerboard weight, and the ballast was changed from steel punching to lead. These changes took places over several boats. For example; our [Randy's] 1988 M17 #410 has the fiberglass centerboard but steel punching ballast.
(can't remember where i got this specifically ... what i have is credited to Randy.)
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Wed, 3/27/13, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate? Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17? #622
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Message: 10 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:57:50 -0400 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 Message-ID: <CAFd5cD=WEn1_Gox2K7_FNXi_F0=**6Dpes_QuQtK=She8j2XVAcQ@mail.** gmail.com <She8j2XVAcQ@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Thank you Jerry
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:50 PM, jerry montgomery < jerry@jerrymontgomery.org
wrote:
That was about the time when I switched from steel punchings to lead shot in the ballast; I'd guess that your boat has lead ballast but the old iron board. You can check the ballast by running a compass or magnet over the keel, and the board by crawling under and looking.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:38 PM Subject: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17
Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate?
Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
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Message: 11 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:58:51 -0400 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 Message-ID: <CAFd5cDkzye9bja=krMQUPTammug1**Nm5TSkAaZG6M6CvhgZmJRQ@mail.** gmail.com <krMQUPTammug1Nm5TSkAaZG6M6CvhgZmJRQ@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Appreciate the info Dave. Will take a magnet with me when I look at her.
Bill
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:55 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bill:
from information shared by Randy G. -
In 1988 (roughly at hull #400) the centerboard was changed from 220 lbs cast iron to the same centerboard as is used in the M15, weighing 40 lbs. The M15 is comprised of a fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich and does not require a winch to raise and lower. Also, the ballast was increased to compensate for the change in centerboard weight, and the ballast was changed from steel punching to lead. These changes took places over several boats. For example; our [Randy's] 1988 M17 #410 has the fiberglass centerboard but steel punching ballast.
(can't remember where i got this specifically ... what i have is credited to Randy.)
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Wed, 3/27/13, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate? Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
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Message: 12 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:16:58 -0700 From: "R.K. Graves" <rkgraves@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Iron centreboard on M17 Message-ID: <CADyq_zxE=RhQO88CPgAaZ4UxdCoX**62fuPvO+D3xs37DAGbJ8ag@mail.** gmail.com <RhQO88CPgAaZ4UxdCoX62fuPvO%2BD3xs37DAGbJ8ag@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Bill,
The CB change for cast iron to laminated fiberglass/lead occurred around hull number 400, roughly early 1988. I have 1988 hull #407 and it has the fiberglass/lead CB but steel punchings for ballast. As far as I know all the non-cast iron CB's are fiberglass/lead. I believe the same fiberglass/lead CB is used on both the 15 and the 17. The change from steel punching to lead ballast occurred sometime after hull #407. The best way to tell which type of ballast a 17 has is to see if a large magnet is attracted to the keel (takes a pretty good size magnet for the test).
Randy Graves
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Who can advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate? Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
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Message: 13 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:48:08 -0500 From: "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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I have started to work on my recent acquisition that has been sitting for some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large amount of Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal?
George
96 M15 #602
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Message: 14 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:57:16 -0700 From: Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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Yes, it's normal. t
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:48 AM, George R. Iemmolo < griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
I have started to work on my recent acquisition that has been sitting for some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large amount of Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal?
George
96 M15 #602
NoNameYet
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Message: 15 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:01:18 -0400 From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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On 29-Mar-13 10:48 AM, George R. Iemmolo wrote:
Hi George,
Yes, it's normal.
You'll find styrofoam blocks up in the bow compartment, if you remove the screws holding the cover in place.
You'll also find it under the cockpit sole, in the bilge.
Connie
ex M15 #400 LEPPO
I have started to work on my recent acquisition that has been sitting for some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large amount of Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal?
George
96 M15 #602
NoNameYet
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Message: 16 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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George:
to add a photo to the comments already shared that yes the M15 has positive flotation foam under forward end of the v-berth and under the cockpit floor i've attached to this email a photo showin under the v-berth (after unscrewing the locker lid).
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-**scred<http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred>
--- On Fri, 3/29/13, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
I have started to work on my recent acquisition that has been sitting for some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large amount of Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal?
George
96 M15 #602
NoNameYet? ?