16 Jan
2014
16 Jan
'14
2:05 p.m.
Tom, Do you use a vang at all? I have always had one on board but never really used it effectively. Like windage aloft I just never was that concerned about the ultimate sail shape. Sorry Jerry. Read an article years ago entitled, "Don't Vang the Main". It was so long ago it may have been about square riggers. I had a bolt rope on my last M 17 and am considering going to slugs. I have read that slugs effect the airflow over the mainsail but I guess if I am not concerned about vangs the slug business shouldn't bother me. They seem a lot easier to use when handling the main. Have you considered them? I will be trailering my boat for a while and slugs set up quicker than a boltrope. Tom B On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote: > I worried about 1/4 when I first installed the line--I admit I got talked > into that size by the guy who sold me the line, and smaller is better aloft > like that (although frankly, I don't worry about those sorts of things too > much). > > There is a cabin-top winch and I use it (almost never with a winch handle, > but sometimes). I changed the main halyard out as well, and there's only a > horn cleat on the mast there, but it hasn't proven to be a problem (my main > is bolt rope, and I guide the luff of the sail into the slot when I raise > the main) and it sweats up pretty well. I use a boom down haul (the > gooseneck is a slider) to tighten up the luff in higher winds, so I don't > need to hoist the main all that tightly, and I'm almost always wearing > sailing gloves, so that helps too. > > I went to all rope from wire/rope, and changed out the sheaves at the > masthead as well--it was just time to smooth all that out. > > I'll let you know how the small cleat install goes. I did the same thing > for the downhaul--fabricated a pedestal that made the lead more fair. It > ain't that pretty, but it works well, and I wouldn't live without a > downhaul. t > > > > t _/\_ > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Sounds elegant, and smart. How is that 1/4 inch low stretch on the hands > > for hauling?Or are you using a halyard winch? > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I haven't taken the residue off yet, Thomas, but I'll be doing that > soon. > > > I'm sizing the cleat down as I've adopted a 1/4 low stretch line for > the > > > jib halyard. The exiting large cleat, though not in bad shape, allowed > > the > > > halyard to slip a bit under hard use. > > > > > > Because I have a phobia about drilling holes in my boat, I'm going to > > > fashion a cleat pedestal that will allow me to use the existing holes, > > and > > > change the angle of the lead a bit to improve line capture. I'll keep > > you > > > posted. t > > > > > > > > > > > > t _/\_ > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Will you try "Goo gone" to get off the residue or did the thing come > > off > > > > cleanly? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > To report back, I used a combination of my trusty Milwaukee heat > gun > > > > plus a > > > > > stiff putty knife to remove this cleat. Worked well. Once I got > the > > > > knife > > > > > started at the end, I simply heated the blade and made slow > progress > > > > until > > > > > the cleat popped off. Thanks for the tips sailors. t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t _/\_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Good idea. Now where did I put that old stratocaster? > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think it's 5200, thank goodness. t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t _/\_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:55 PM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> One old trick is to take a thin guitar string and use it to > "saw" > > > back > > > > > >> and forth under the fitting. Also, is there any chance someone > > > bedded > > > > > the > > > > > >> cleat with 3M 5200? In that case, trying to pry it off almost > > > > certainly > > > > > >> will damage the deck. I avoid that stuff like the plague but I > > > > > understand > > > > > >> someone does sell a solvent for it. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> > > > > > >> From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> > > > > > >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > > > > >> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 2:49:49 PM > > > > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Removing stubborn clamcleat > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks Gary. I like the many solutions approach--I don't have to > > > make > > > > a > > > > > >> decision that way. And yes, heat + solvent could very well lead > to > > > too > > > > > >> much adventure... t > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> t _/\_ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:35 AM, <GILASAILR@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Tom, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Don't apply heat and solvent at same time - more contemplation > > has > > > > > >> occurred > > > > > >> > - we think that may have negative effects unless your > insurance > > > > > coverage > > > > > >> > is exceptional. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > GO duh > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > In a message dated 1/14/2014 12:32:42 P.M. US Mountain > Standard > > > > Time, > > > > > >> > GILASAILR@aol.com writes: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Tom, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > A little solvent of your choice -lacquer thinner, acetone > helps > > - > > > my > > > > > >> genoa > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > camcleat was 'grown on' and that helped - heat helps -we have > > that > > > > in > > > > > >> > abundance down here- left a lot of residue - dark brown > bedding > > > > > compnd - > > > > > >> > used > > > > > >> > everything in the quiver - finally a brass brush & acetone + > an > > > > exacto > > > > > >> > knife > > > > > >> > blade (#7) to clean out the last bits - lotsa contemplative > time > > > > > whilst > > > > > >> > scraping and pondering the real meaning of life. After that > > > exercise > > > > > - I > > > > > >> > had > > > > > >> > it ALL figgered out - I am a self actualized boat grunt! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Give it hell! > > > > > >> > GO - > > > > > >> > going racing agin the big guns this weekend! 2014 WICR/Potter > > > > > >> > Invitational > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > In a message dated 1/14/2014 11:04:03 A.M. US Mountain > Standard > > > > Time, > > > > > >> > jerry@jerrymontgomery.org writes: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Tom- I don't know of a sure cure, but if you made a little, > > sharp, > > > > > >> > hardwood > > > > > >> > wedge and just got it started, then tapping it in more as the > > > cleat > > > > > >> > loosened > > > > > >> > up, it would probably work, I've done that before with no > > > problems. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > It's probably just frozen on! > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > jerry > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> > From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> > > > > > >> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > > > > > >> > <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > > > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:58 AM > > > > > >> > Subject: M_Boats: Removing stubborn clamcleat > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > I'm changing out the foresail halyard clamcleat on the > > cabin-top > > > > of > > > > > my > > > > > >> > > M17. Man, that baby is on there. Removed the bolts/nuts, but > > she > > > > no > > > > > >> > want > > > > > >> > > to move. I hesitate to pry because it's so well seated I'm > > > afraid > > > > a > > > > > >> > chunk > > > > > >> > > of 'glass will come up too. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Any suggestions on how to get this thing loosened up? The > > > careful > > > > > >> > > application of heat? Some kind of solvent? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Suggestions appreciated. Tom > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > t _/\_ > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > >> > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > > > > > >> > SPAMfighter has removed 9866 of my spam emails to date. > > > > > >> > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Do you have a slow PC? 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