I have the Rudder Craft rudder on my M17 "Ol'44. The rudder seems to give me crisper handling. It swings a little forward of center thus reducing weatherhelm. It came with the mast raising system so now my rudder and mast raising system remain on the boat in the water and on the trailer, saving considerable work when launching and retrieving. That alone was worth $500. I'm very happy with it. Jon Barber Ol'44 Montgomery 17 I sail therefore I am, I think On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 11:01 AM < montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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1. Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Kevin Sandwick) 2. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Dave Scobie) 3. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Bill Dixon) 4. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Dave Scobie) 5. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Gerald Wolczanski) 6. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Dave Scobie) 7. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (swwheatley@comcast.net)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:13:53 +0000 From: Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick@hotmail.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder Message-ID: < DM3PR16MB06821E703EBA901E9341A0C5AA7F0@DM3PR16MB0682.namprd16.prod.outlook.com
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Just curious, Is anybody using the Rudder Craft High Performance Kick Up Rudder on an M-17 ?
Not an inexpensive modification. Any thoughts?
Thanks
Kevin
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:19:31 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder Message-ID: < CAGjBOA7BrRYbRr7ZUiqAYHPM0ZnSMdyhc57PFxdyoDOemk3Lyw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
The solid mahogany one piece rudders that Jerry made are very good and not at all prone to failure. In the 'up' position they are higher than the keel (centerboard up).
If you believe the rudder shape isn't right look online for a NACA12 foil and make a template to confirm the shape of your boat's. Very easy to refine the shape on a nice piece of wood.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:14 AM Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just curious, Is anybody using the Rudder Craft High Performance Kick Up Rudder on an M-17 ?
Not an inexpensive modification. Any thoughts?
Thanks
Kevin
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:57:01 -0700 From: "Bill Dixon" <bill@miralee.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder Message-ID: <003b01d4025d$9f0c1410$dd243c30$@miralee.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
What is the best way to place and hold the mahogany rudder in its UP position?
Bill M-17 Robbin Windsor, CA
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:20 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder
The solid mahogany one piece rudders that Jerry made are very good and not at all prone to failure. In the 'up' position they are higher than the keel (centerboard up).
If you believe the rudder shape isn't right look online for a NACA12 foil and make a template to confirm the shape of your boat's. Very easy to refine the shape on a nice piece of wood.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:14 AM Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just curious, Is anybody using the Rudder Craft High Performance Kick Up Rudder on an M-17 ?
Not an inexpensive modification. Any thoughts?
Thanks
Kevin
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:10:39 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7TZEQ-yR6ETTQntc9GG= azC_kO7GxkfSXq_fMTnLUu5g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Bill.
A line should be there at the transom that goes through a hole in the rudder.
Line on the second generation decks goes through the hull deck joint (held there with an 8-knot) down through the rudder and up to a cleat on the transom. On the original decks the line is dead-ended on an eye bolt on the transom; cleat the same.
Pull line up to pull up rudder and secure in cleat. simple and easy.
A picture attached just taken here at Washington State Fort Flagler State Park where I am on a buoy. You can also see a transom picture that shows the system on my BLOG linked below (it is the top banner picture on the site).
Need more details let me know.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:57 AM Bill Dixon <bill@miralee.com> wrote:
What is the best way to place and hold the mahogany rudder in its UP position?
Bill M-17 Robbin Windsor, CA
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:20 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder
The solid mahogany one piece rudders that Jerry made are very good and not at all prone to failure. In the 'up' position they are higher than the keel (centerboard up).
If you believe the rudder shape isn't right look online for a NACA12 foil and make a template to confirm the shape of your boat's. Very easy to refine the shape on a nice piece of wood.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:14 AM Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just curious, Is anybody using the Rudder Craft High Performance Kick Up Rudder on an M-17 ?
Not an inexpensive modification. Any thoughts?
Thanks
Kevin