Hi Steve, I use the horn cleats for main and jib halyards. I use the original clam cleats for the topping lift and spinnaker halyard. Mostly because they are there. The topping lift cleat had to be replaced. The plastic wears. I have also replaced the jib sheet clam cleats, and the one for the centerboard pennant. They aren't classic, but do the job. There is a Ronstan with the same hole pattern. If they were good enough for Jerry . . . Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Steve R. Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:36 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit raising Main and Jib on M15 Hi Peter, I stand in the hatch opening or maybe sit on the side of the cabin top. I installed Clam Cleats above the horn cleat, and moved the horn cleats a little lower. I think they are the side entry cleats: CL 217 Mk 1 (Starboard) & CL 218 Mk1 (Port). I can use one hand to feed the bolt rope in the slot and use the other to "ratchet" the halyard as I raise the main. I use the horn cleat as a turning block, then secure the halyard to the horn cleat. I do not trust a clam cleat to tie off the halyards. Clam Cleat Web site: http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats2-6mm.htm http://www.clamcleat.com/marineapplications.htm I think someone else uses clam cleats, maybe Bill Riker? steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- Peter Deffenbacher <pwdeffen@easystreet.com> wrote: I would like to raise the Main and the Jib without going to the mast. So, what is the best way to do it on an M15. Hardware and Stuff! Thanks, Peter Deffenbacher Peanut M15 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats