I suspected something like this. Boats does not sail well under mail alone.I do sail in SF Bay some, but tend to stay in more sheltered waters.Tyler From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Recommendations for replacing my furling headsail M17 I recommend you get a 150%. This is the headsail the boat is designed to use. Any smaller sail will underpowered the boat in anything under 12 to 15 knots. Only if you are commonly sailing in very high winds would a smaller size be appropriate. :: Dave Scobie On Aug 17, 2017 11:07 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks Keith for the first hand experience.
A couple more "research" questions...
What size jib is yours when fully unfurled? I think someone else said they had a 135 on a furler.
Do you find you have to move the jib sheet blocks when reefing using the furler, to get proper sheet angle? Or does the clew position change as you reef in such a way that the same block location works OK?
thanks, John S.
On 08/17/2017 04:57 PM, Keith R. Martin wrote:
John,
I've only had a CDI FF2 for 3 years now, in the first year year I was stepping the mast a lot doing some true trailer sailing & day trips as opposed to being in a Marina Slip. I kept the jib furled on the furler when trailering during the season, only taking it off when the boat was put away for the winter. In doing so I never found the CDI to add much if any time to the set up, it's flexible but tough construction makes it pretty seamless to use when stepping and un-stepping the mast.
In the limited time I have had the CDI (relative to others on this email group), I have had a very good experience with it. It's been totally reliable and has never jammed or fouled on me irrespective of sailing conditions.
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. Canada* *Serenity, M17 #353*
On 17 August 2017 at 15:50, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have been pondering this myself, since at least two of my headsails are
probably ancient, I single-hand a lot, and my passengers are seldom capable crew in that regard (e.g. they're not gonna just go change the headsail for me without major hand-holding).
And, three new sails would be about 1/3 more $$$ than one sail and a reefer/furler. There is the windage penalty with the furler, plus a bit more to do when rigging up and down, to consider.
Several folks here have used and recommended the CDI FF2 furler in past posts.
I was just reading up on it and it seems to be a well thought out design, especially for trailer sailors.
I wouldn't mess with the headsail/forestay attachment geometry, myself; no way do I know enough about that stuff.
Different sail sizes will have different clew heights of course. My 80% is higher clew than the bigger sails. Working jib is probably a wee bit higher than genoa.
Jerry can no doubt speak to this topic from vast experience.
cheers, John S.
On 08/17/2017 03:39 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Headsail is dying, coming apart, forestay is bent and kinked.Thinking
about getting a new headsail, ideally furling, maybe suited for single-handing, since that is my normal mode.Has anyone tried a headsail with a shorter J and or LP dimension, including maybe a higher Clew?Any recommendations?Thanks,Tyler H.M17 Seranita1977 #232
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