Hi: This is the set up on Grey Mist. Works well. cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig F. Honshell Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 12:38 PM To: Rik Sandberg; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level Could swear I've also heard it done on a M17, and have even seen the pics ... But perhaps I dreamt it ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandberg To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level Craig, Can't say about an M-17, but Yep, that's how the drains are set up on our Flicka. Starboard drains to the port seacock and port drains to starboard. Works very well. Rik -----Original Message----- From: "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell@ia4u.net> Sent: Aug 27, 2005 2:45 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level Didn't someone reverse his drain hoses, so that when heeled to starboard, the submerged starboard exit was connected to the port cockpit entrance, and vise versa, therefore, because the water had further to travel in order to "back up into the cockpit", his cockpit remained dry? I always thought this was a novel solution ... The positive shutoff could be risky, couldn't it, if the cockpit were swamped by a rogue wave? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit drain and water level Hi Steve I think your problem is a common one. When I started building the new models, I installed a Whale 1.5 inch check valve inline with the cockpit drains (2). I carried through the fuel tank locker with the hose and check valve. This keeps the locker dry instead of wet. Even with this setup a loaded boat will sometimes 'squat' and allow a little water to back-flow slowly thru the check valve. Bob Campbell on Alina installed some rubber balls that he shoved into the thru hulls when he had several crew on board. What I am doing on some recent boats is offering a positive shut off feature that allows you to open the locker and simply shut the drain off. We just shipped a boat to Annapolis Maryland for Walt Wood to use in his sailing school. He will be having groups on board for sailing lessons and we decided to install these valves on his boat. That boat will be on display during the Annapolis Boat Show, October 6 thru 11 so if anyone wants to see how I did it, please stop by and take a look at say hello. For your information Steve the parts (not counting hose and hose clamps) needed are from West Marine and are: Forespar Marelon 1.5 inch ball valves part number 112425 (2 per boat) then you will need the tailpieces (4 per boat) part number 130229. Go to westmarine.com and take a look at them. Good luck and fair winds. Call me if you need help with anything! I will post Walt's sailing school URL later. He has agreed to show his boat and arrangements can be made for sailing this new Montgomery 17 in Annapolis. Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Steve Shenkel wrote:
On my first sail I noticed that the water level in the cockpit drain was about 1-1.5" below the cockpit sole while at rest or sailing flat. When I motored at near hull speed, the aft end of the boat squatted down somewhat and water came up on the back foot of the cockpit sole. At this point, I have very little "stuff" on the boat; No battery, no water storage, and etc. The only weighty items are the outboard, gas, and the anchors (which I have stored forward now). When I was out swimming, I noticed that the boat sat on her lines fairly parallel to the water with the bottom of the waterline about an inch above the water. Is this what to normally expect in terms of water level in the drain and when motoring?
I remember reading in the SCA M17 review that some have plugged the cockpit drain when sailing with several crew. Is this true? Also has anyone found a check valve that might work in this application?
Steve Shenkel
M17 (unnamed)
Arizona
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