Wow! All this food for thought. Great group of boaters. For me, I think small boat vs. big boat is a personal debate on safety on being on open water in a small boat. I love the open water of the islands, but would I be safer in a larger boat. Sometimes I feel guilty that I’m a burden on other members of the Southern Idaho Sailing Association when we come over each August to do our cruise. Just wondering. Thanks for listening, Pete Chinook Breeze M15 377 Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2019, at 20:25, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
True, that! And ironically the M15 V-berth is a little bit longer than the M17 (actual sleeping length).
That said, being a tall (but thin) guy, there's no room inside an M15 to do anything other than crawl into the V-berth!
The M17 has that ~3 ft. of (wider higher) cabin space aft of V-berth for cooking, lounging, etc. in less than clement weather.
It's quite a bit more space inside.
cheers, John
On 03/08/2019 07:11 PM, Kirby Stross wrote: m15 vs M17....M-15 bunks easier to crawl into than M-17 because of M-17 deck support stanchion inside cabin. Best Kirby S. M-17hull 395 On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:01 PM < montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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1. M17 vs M15 (Peter Zimowsky) 2. Re: M17 vs M15 (Bob Eeg) 3. Re: M17 vs M15 (Lawrence Winiarski) 4. Re: M17 vs M15 (John Schinnerer) 5. Re: M17 vs M15 (Peter Zimowsky) 6. Re: M17 vs M15 (islandergirl80@yahoo.com) 7. Re: M17 vs M15 (Thomas Buzzi) 8. Re: M17 vs M15 (Douglas Kelch)
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:35:49 -0800 From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz@mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 Message-ID: <62D24DB5-4B02-4588-B7AF-B96040609716@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hi all: I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I?m doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It?s the age old debate. Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 Pete Chinook Breeze; 377
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On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Capt David
I did it about 10 yrs ago I will look for pic Capt Jim
On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15
-----Original Message----- From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard
Skipper On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel ballast with lead. If you what more details sand me an email
Captain Dos Colitas Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Burton Lowry Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard
Hi James,
Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to last forever.
--Burt in Maine
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com> wrote:
My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas
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Pete
Get one built after 1995. Bring a magnet with you to make sure Lead ballast.
Bob....
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On Mar 7, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com<mailto: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote:
Hi all: I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I?m doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It?s the age old debate. Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 Pete Chinook Breeze; 377
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com<mailto: jimsadler@jascopacific.com>> wrote:
Capt David
I did it about 10 yrs ago I will look for pic Capt Jim
On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com<mailto: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote:
Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15
-----Original Message----- From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com<mailto: jimsadler@jascopacific.com>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com<mailto: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard
Skipper On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel ballast with lead. If you what more details sand me an email
Captain Dos Colitas Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com>> On Behalf Of Burton Lowry Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com<mailto: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard
Hi James,
Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to last forever.
--Burt in Maine
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com<mailto: jamesehymes@gmail.com>> wrote:
My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas