John: Thanks for the insight. I’m just a cautious boater (whitewater and open water). Learn that from my dad crossing five miles across Barnegat Bay in Jersey. Remember bucking fierce afternoon storms that came up suddenly. We never had an issue. Getting older and more wary. Good winds, Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky) San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush outdoors writer and photographer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Aug 3, 2021, at 9:32 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Another two cents...if you are cruising or on a mooring or in a slip for multiple days or weeks, an extra 20 or 30 minutes to rig up and down a 17 vs. 15 is not a big deal. But for day sailing, or less than a night or two out, for me at least, it's a deal breaker. I typically don't put in for less than 4-5 days of boat in water. That's what dinghies and other small light quick to rig day sailors are for... :-)
cheers, John
On 8/3/21 8:26 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats wrote:
If you are a skilled enough sailor & have the experience & preparation to be in those waters, I think you are fine in an M15. You might just have to put in to port for supplies a bit more often than in an M17. And hunker down sometimes when larger boats venture out. But if you play it smart & safe and the boat is big enough for you to cruise on, why not? Bear in mind that people in kayaks and canoes - smaller lighter paddle-powered craft - travel all over those waters as well and if they are prepared and experienced enough they are fine also. Even SUPs go cruising there in recent years. Not to mention open camp-cruising boats, modern and traditional. Meanwhile some fool with a big fancy boat but but lacking skill & prep & experience could get in serious trouble in their first ten minutes off the pier. My $0.57 ($0.02 adjusted for inflation...:-) cheers, John On 8/3/21 6:11 PM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote:
Hi Dave: I’ve been going around and around about this for five years. Keep wanting to go up but the M15 is so easy to rig and sail. I just want to do open water in the San Juans and sometimes I think I”m out of my league in the big water. even through I’ve sailed hundreds of miles in SJs and Canada, still lingering is the fact that I’m I too small to be out there?
Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky)
San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush
outdoors writer and photographer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/
"We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Aug 3, 2021, at 6:29 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter:
Pound for pound the M15 beats the M17. Faster & easier to rig, easier to tow, and vberth is much more comfortable. Boats are equally capable sailers & cruisers.
M17 has more storage space and sitting headroom.
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On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 4:53 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I sailed as a kid on Barnegat Bay. Also clammed, crabbed and fished the bay to make a living as a kid. Worked on the docks at Carl’s Boat Service for several summers. An old salty stuck in the sagebrush. Bummed. I sail now in the San Juan Islands. Got a Montgomery 15 been doing 100 mile sails in the islands the last few years. Love the boat but wondering about upgrading to a M17. Mine is 377 1985, excellent condition. Since I sail once a week year around, don’t know if going to an M17 would be worth it. M15 easy 30 minute set up. Only 7 days out of year would need the extra room of a 17. Perplexed.
Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky)
San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush
outdoors writer and photographer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/
"We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
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