Jerry, I have an original tiller (34", which I've never used, so I can't complain) and a longer one (60", which is too long unless you're solo and thinner), so, in my opinion, 4' would be about right. -- John Tyner M-15 "Chimpanzee" -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tynerjr=gmpexpress.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tynerjr=gmpexpress.net@mailman.xmission .com]On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 3:11 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) I've just finished a large laminating job and have spruce and phil. mahogany left over- enough to make a bunch of 15 tillers. Tom Smith was kind enough to make a tracing from his 15 tiller and send it to me, which is a start. On the 15's I have set up for my use I remember that I had the tiller made a little longer, like 6" or a foot, maybe, which is what I intend to do, partly because I've heard some comments on this list about the tillers being too short for some. Your suggestions as to the length are welcome. I'll probably put a bit more drop in the S bend of the tiller to get the busuness end a little lower for the sake of comfort. Remember that the tiller can't raise up unless you want to raise the rudder also! Comments? Jerry jerrymontgomery.org _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats