Thank you to all regarding the cut-out for an outboard engine! I do appreciate all the insightful information. I enjoy this site… again, thank you Keith Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 7:56:10 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 220, Issue 16 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Motor mount (John Schinnerer) 2. Motor noise reduction - was Re: Re: Motor mount (John Schinnerer) 3. Re: Motor mount (Saltm17) 4. Re: Montgomery site? (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 14:35:13 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Motor mount To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <4d5a18b9-9a07-fede-c67d-6b06c1b187cb@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Ditto that, forgot to mention in my previous post. It's nice to be able to adjust motor height a bit to match conditions and boat loading if/as necessary. For me it's always one of two 'down' positions that are only a few inches different, but a few inches can make all the difference sometimes. for example bouncing in chop I can set it a bit deeper so it doesn't cavitate when the stern bounces up. I think Jerry has said that the notch was partly designed around a particular motor of that era, which was a 2-cycle, so smaller lighter power head, maybe could be turned while in the notch, and maybe it had reverse too? Anyhow the notch is not well suited to more recent 4-cycle motors with larger power heads...you'd have to enlarge the notch, which is not a minor DIY project. cheers, John On 6/27/21 2:01 PM, Michael Witkin via montgomery_boats wrote:
Keith,With the long shaft outboard motor in the cut out, the prop wasn't low enough in the water for the cooling intake unless at least one person was in the boat. When sailing alone, I couldn't start the engine and step onto the dock. Now with a motor mount I can let the engine warm up while I deal with dock lines and gear.Fair Winds,Mike Faiand On Suay, June 27, 2021, 09:27:03 AM PDT, Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power). cKeith K Ginger Snap
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Feco-living.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb2cbd59ee3bf4091110008d939e04f81%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637604457837114729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=dgRLQr6t6mAQA8hTWIUboFG0noo1Fl0fWwrofMc7Eno%3D&reserved=0 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsociocracyconsulting.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb2cbd59ee3bf4091110008d939e04f81%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637604457837114729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=H5lUkjIkU8wJwsImiVOeukdlkN1A%2BNCsGE6oAKSIGKs%3D&reserved=0 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 14:44:43 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Motor noise reduction - was Re: Re: Motor mount To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <b00d25e9-12a6-c879-64df-a022c0e5d964@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Also forgot to mention - with the motor on a mount behind the notch, you can put a piece of foam insulation board in the notch, and it makes a significant reduction in motor noise. I'll post a picture when I get my boat back in action later this summer. I tried this out last year and it really helps cut motor noise. I started by just propping a throw cushion up where the notch is and that helped a bit. So I took some scrap XPS foam board (extruded polystyrene - the blue or pink stuff used by builders to insulate foundations etc.), 2" thick, and shaped it to fit in the notch and extend a bit above it. 2.5" would be even better for making a sturdier flange on both sides of the notch, but I happened to have some 2" at the time. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Feco-living.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb2cbd59ee3bf4091110008d939e04f81%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637604457837114729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=dgRLQr6t6mAQA8hTWIUboFG0noo1Fl0fWwrofMc7Eno%3D&reserved=0 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsociocracyconsulting.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb2cbd59ee3bf4091110008d939e04f81%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637604457837124723%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=p8JiMB6W%2FCRf2s5iSi3dmbNnWOSkpE8616WuNDyLPyg%3D&reserved=0 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 01:42:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Saltm17 <saltm17@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Motor mount To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <1147764317.1576490.1624844564785@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I've been trying to get on the Montgomery boats site but can't find it. Can you help? Thanks John Edwards -----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 3:14 pm Subject: M_Boats: Re: Motor mount I didn't try to use the motor to steer. My problem was that the motor head intruded in to the cockpit so far when tilted up that it blocked the tiller from swinging all the way over. Not a problem in normal sailing but a pain when approaching my mooring. Henry On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:55 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason people don't like the cutout is: can't use motor to steer (easily), and many outboards do not fit.
IMO use the rudder to steer ... just like boats with inboards do.
A Suzuki 4/6 HP long (20") will fit. Do a www-search for 'Larry Yale Montgomery 17 Corn Dog's and you will see pictures of his boat using a Suzuki in the cutout.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:26 AM Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power).
Keith K Ginger Snap
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 19:55:36 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Montgomery site? To: Saltm17 <saltm17@aol.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4+62u_N1jg3p_ZX-HS=s5Zai4Q9oDGCBabErwjQqPq0g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Which site are you referring to John? msogphotosite.com MSOG.org Facebook page Other :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 6:43 PM Saltm17 via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi, I've been trying to get on the Montgomery boats site but can't find it. Can you help? Thanks John Edwards
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