I took a peak at the MSOG for sale list and found two M15's currently available: a 1983 for $3750 and a 1991 for $7900. Both are reportedly in excellent condition. I recall paying around $6000 including trailer for my M15 new in 1984. $4000 might be a fair price for my boat (if I were selling, and I'm not.) Not that any of that is relevant. I think there are just a lot of people looking for a deal, and people do not expect firm prices to be firm. The way around this is to list higher and have a firm price you have in mind to agree to. Makes people feel like they got a deal if they can bargain you down. A pet peeve I have is people (i.e., my siblings or other peers) saying things like, "I wish I could have afforded to buy a sailboat." Hey, people, I was broke for a long time after buying mine! I chose that way to spend my money, you chose other ways. My way, I ended up with something solid instead of just memories of a nice vacation or expensive shoes that wore out long ago. But it isn't like I won the lottery. Bobbie