Mark, Thanks, makes perfect sense. This is a very helpful forum. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gaffney Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:49 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: steering M15 with motor John, your rudder will be slow to respond until you have enough water moving around it. My guess is by the time you do a loop, you have enough moving water to make your rudder responsive. This allows you to overcome the offset of your outboard. You just have a tight situation in your marina. I don't think you are doing anything wrong other than expecting the helm to react without adequate forward movement. It sounds like you have overcome the issue by doing a loop. Cheers, Mark SF Bay