Tom, Pretty clever, if one can find a jam cleat smaller than the West Marine 6 incher. Now that I actually know what a jam cleat is, I can weigh that tactic against the Tiller-Tamer. I'm betting others have come up with some good solutions, but these two are quite servicable. Thanks for the help. Tom Jenkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Hi Tom. Sorry I didn't reply sooner...missed you question. The jam cleat (a relatively small one--4 inches mebbe?) is attached to the bottom of the tiller half way up towards the business end, with the jam side of the cleat facing forward (a jam cleat looks like a horn cleat, but one side has a sort of sharper V, which wedges the line). The bungee loops (let's say 10 inches in dia.) just drop over the aft horn cleats and the line that connects them (probably a couple/three feet in length--your lengths may vary) is stretched forward and captured in the jam cleat. The loops stretch and the line is under tension and holds the rudder on whatever course you choose (withing reason, the more past 45 degrees you set the rudder, the more questionable the holding power). I can send you a pic if you like... tom
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Tom, I think I can picture bungee loops joined in the center by a line that runs through the cleat, but I can't figure why the line doesn't pop out of an upside down jam cleat, and how a jam cleat can hold in both directions. Intriguing.
TJ
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Yeah, try the corner cleats before you drill holes. I hate drilling holes in perfectly good fg.
I don't use a tt now, though I have used one in the past. I like a couple of bungee loops with line in between and a jam cleat on the bottom of the tiller. Probably not as easily adjusted, but in my mind low tech is less intrusive. Certainly fewer moving parts. t
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Tom Jenkins<tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Joe, I consider following directions a last resort. I hope you meant 12-15", not 12-15', since that conveys quite the image. I still want to try the corner cleats, because I already have a useless cam for the pullup rudder, which I don't use.
My trig says your device is 12-15" up the tiller handle, if you really did follow the directions.
Thanks for your comments, and happy sailing. Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Tom,
I followed the directions (say it ain't so, Joe). On the transom edge where the hull and deck flange is located I put a small pad eye about 12-15' away from the rudder on the port side and a camcleat the same distance on the starboard side. I don't know the exact measurements of where I drilled the holes in the tiller but I can get them for you. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Chad,
Pictures would indeed be very helpful. Chances are if I took a guess, I would end up drilling more than one set of holes in the laminated tiller. Thanks much.
Tom Jenkins
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Parrish" <cparrish@fafnirnet.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: tiller accessory
Hi Tom,
I have a tiller tamer on my M17 and used the stern side cleats for it and it has worked really well. I can snap a couple of pictures this weekend if you would like to see how I have it set up.
--Chad
On Aug 14, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Kind folks, > > I have a Tiller-Tamer sitting around that I thought might work for > my > 17 with an IdaSailor rudder. I don't want to mount new cleats, so I > would > like to use the side stern cleats for the T-T line. The geometry > does > not > meet the specs in the mounting instructions (it would have to be too > far > forward to make a right angle), but I am wondering if one of you has > mounted > one further back with success. If so, how far is the T-T sheave > center > from the pivot point on the rudder? > > Thanks, > Tom Jenkins > M17 hull #686 > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >
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