My boat came with both a "standard" jib and a roller furler genoa, so I'm guessing you are right. On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:44 PM <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
The forward blocks are in approximately the correct position for jib sheet leads. The aft blocks are in approximately the correct position for genoa sheet leads. If you ever fit a roller furling genoa, you will want more adjustability than that. I use one block per side with a snap shackle that allows me to adjust the lead from hole to hole along the toe rail.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Rob Bultman Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboard questions
With the photo...
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:31 PM Rob Bultman <rob.bultman@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim,
I only count 5 cleats on the boat, one on the bow and two on the top of the cockpit coaming (if I am using the term correctly) on either side of the boat, one just aft of the winch and one towards the stern. I assumed that the cleats just aft of the winches were meant to secure the jib sheet on a particular point of sail. Other boats I have sailed typically have a v-cleat or cam cleat instead of a "yacht" cleat for securing a jib sheet.
There are two pulleys (fairleads?) on each side of the boat, one about even with the rear of the cabin and one about even with the cleat just aft of the winch. These are tied to the perforated toe rail with 3 strands of small line. I assumed that the forward ones were used to lead the jib sheet towards the winches, which is how I planned to use them. I'm not sure what the rear ones were used for.
The attached photo shows the positions of the two pulleys and cleat on the port side.
Regards, Rob
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:23 PM TIm Brown <tim-brown@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Rob...
It is the cleat you have bolted to the toe rail. It looks like the previous owner fabricated it from the picture. I have a jib furler line that I would like to cleat about where that cleat seems to be located on your boat.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Bultman Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:19 AM To: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboard questions
Tim, you will have to forgive me. The boat is rigged as I received from the previous owner, and being new to sailing I don't know what a springline cleat is!
On Wed, May 20, 2020, 1:16 PM Rob Bultman <rob.bultman@gmail.com> wrote:
John, both Mercury and Tohatsu are making 20" propane models.
On Wed, May 20, 2020, 12:55 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Is someone making a 20" shaft propane now? I looked into the Lehr models but they only had short shaft a couple years ago. They are a bit heavier for same HP as gas motors (2.3 and 3.5 hp gas that is - as mentioned if you go to 4 hp you have the weight of a 6 hp).
More shortly re my setup...
cheers, John
On 5/20/20 8:21 AM, Rob Bultman wrote:
Thanks or the replies so far. I'm frankly on the fence regarding gas vs propane. I'm leaning towards the Mercury 5 HP sail power model, 20" long shaft, mostly because it has reverse on the handle. Is the 20" adequate or is the extra long shaft better?
Dave - I have a 1977 M17 with the cutout. I've attach two photos that I happen to have that show the transom of my actual boat. What is the concern here?
Thanks, Rob
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:17 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rob: > > First a question for you - what year is your M17? There is one > issue that > relates to the older 'first desk version' Mk1 boats with the > outboard cutout in the transom that is different than the > second generation Mk2 boats. > > A 4HP motor is more than enough for the M17. Sadly there are > no more true > 4HP motors made - most are now the same as a 6HP with de-rated carbs. This > also means the motors weigh more than a true 4HP motor. Weight > aft is bad. (Motor I always wish I had was the true 4HP Yamaha.). > The new Honda > 4/5/6 are excellent but way to heavy. I had a Suzuki 4 (6 is > the same motor with external tank and alternator options). > > Place your external tank at the aft end of the cockpit footwell. > Two > reasons: #1 is the aft locker of the Mk2 boats is NOT safe for > fuel storage > as it is open to the cabin. #2 is the fuel can sitting at the > aft end of > the cockpit will encourage you to sit at the proper location > near the head > of the tiller NOT at the back of the cockpit! For most M17s > this sitting > location is just aft of the cockpit mainsheet floor traveler > track (again > there are some differences in the boats with traveler placement). > > The gas can doesn't get in the way. > > Propane has some negatives - mainly fuel tank storage, less > range, refilling when cruising and the Lehr build quality is > poor. IMO gasoline > is still the best bet for a cruiser. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - > www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > On Wed, May 20, 2020, 4:31 AM Rob Bultman > <rob.bultman@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm looking at getting an outboard for my M17 and I have a few questions. >> >> 1) If you have an external fuel tank, where do you keep it >> when you are >> under sail? >> 2) If you have an external fuel tank, where do you keep it >> when you are >> under power? >> 3) To what degree does the fuel tank get in the way either >> when under > sail >> or power? >> 4) Any opinions on gasoline vs propane outboards? >> >> Thanks, >> Rob >> >
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