Thanks, Larry. One of these will be replacing the "uphaul" (?) line cleat on my kickup this Spring. You were smart to go with the extra safeguard. My "trial and error" has resulted in a lot of damage and rework that could've been avoided with precautions such as yours. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry E Yake To: stever@mail.saabnet.com ; montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 10:08 PM Subject: spring loaded cam cleat Yes, it's mounted vertical on the Ida Sailor rudder. That cleat is an option on the rudder, by the way. The standard equipment is a stock jam cleat. The line is sized so it will stretch and elongate and slip through the jam cleat it you hit something. They say it works well, but I was a little leery of that, especially if and when I replace the line and end up with a different size or material, so I went with the optional releasing cleat. Larry On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:05:45 -0800 (PST) Steve R. stever@mail.saabnet.com> writes: I assume so. I have never seen one. Someone told me about it and I went to the web site to see how it works. Who ever has the "Ida-sail" (spelling?) rudder has a photo and I think the cleat is vertical. (Larry maybe?) steve --- "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell@ia4u.net> wrote: Steve, Could this cleat be mounted vertically, with a vertical load? The drawings aren't clear to me. Thanks, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve R. Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:38 AM Subject: M17 Kick-up rudder The cleat has a mounting base that is spring loaded. The base swings up when sufficent force is applied. http://www.clamcleat.com/speciali.htm Model CL257 Personally, I have never had a problem steering when my M-15 rudder kicked up. I will quote which item I am responding to this time, so as not to cause further confusion! steve Steve R. M-15 #119 ******************************** Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> wrote: Offhand, I can't imagine how a line through a cleat is going to release on it's own, but I'm sure it must. I'd like to see how that works. The concept of a line releasing from a cleat on it's own just doesn't seem right.