On 05-May-14 11:29 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Hi Bill, You're right on target with your list. However, you forgot to add: -bedding -pillows - clothing -radio / CD player with supply of CDs - food / beer / wine - dishes / cups / glasses - flags / flag staff / burgee - fenders - books / reading material / writing materials - ditty bag with material for sail repairs / for whipping the ends of lines, etc.(sailor's palm / fid / waxed twine / bees wax cake / sailors needles) - boat hook &/or whisker pole - lead line - good sharp sheath knife to cut lines in a hurry if needed. - and did you consider a separate tool box for trailer bearings / and tools for installing them / a bottle jack / 3/4" plywood piece so that you can jack up the trailer on a soft road shoulder / long-handled lug wrench that will move rusted hub bolts - if you haven't greased them with waterproof grease? On our old 29-footer, Katrina and I used to laugh when we loaded or unloaded the boat. The piles of "stuff" that would emerge and that would have to be carried to the boat or back home were the equivalent of moving a three room apartment twice a year. Connie & Katrina PS. Don't forget a little spiral note pad so that you can write down what you want to bring to the boat next week - or what needs repairing. If it is written down, and you can put it in your shirt pocket, you won't forget it. ...... like the time we were invited to sail to Block Island on a friend's bigger boat, and when we arrived at the dock I found that I had left my sail bag with my clothes at home.... Have you ever tried to buy underwear at the General Store on Block Island? They have Tee shirts / bathing suits / post cards / beach toys / and geegaws, but no underwear.
Bill, What are "spin tack and lines"? Nice list. Can't let my wife see that. She will freak at the cost of getting ours in the water. Tom B
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
We weighed the combined rig of '09 Ranger and M17 on a Pacific trailer. Outboard and inflatable dinghy were in the truck. All loaded for a 2 week cruise, except for 5 gal of water.
Combined truck trailer weight was 7780 lbs. Boat and trailer only on the scale 3160 lbs Trailer hitched to the truck, and truck off the scale pad 2800 lbs.
That last measurement gives the tongue weight of 360 lbs, or about 11.5 % of the towed weight.
I was surprised at the boat/trailer weight until I thought about the trailer weight. The Pacific is a beefy trailer. Their on line brochure shows weight of a G17SN3 at 725lbs. Add another 50 lbs for the tongue extension and 50 lbs for the spare carrier and spare. Extended winch post and extra brace that I added is another 50 lbs of steel. (PO had bent the small original brace) So 875 lbs in my case.
I can't believe we carry over 600 lbs on board.
3160 less trailer of 875 = 2285 less published boat weight of 1600(?) = 685lbs
I think the build weight is could be 200 lbs more. Boat is a 2003. That still leaves 485lbs of gear.
Here is a question. Does the calculated displacement/weight of the boat include mast, boom, sails rigging? Maybe JM or Bob can chime in on this.
Was running down where the additional weight comes in from bow to stern. Just think about it.
Bow pulpit Stainless bow line chocks Upgraded 8" bow cleats Masthead VHF antenna and cable 9 added turning blocks, cleats or pad eyes on the boom Added stainless rings to mast step for 4 turning blocks 2 double sheave deck organizers and 4 cam cleats on deck house Whisker pole and boat hook on deck house 2 anchors and chain. 10' feet on each Spare hardware box Tool box, or 2. Down to 1 now Tiller pilot Fire extinguisher Flare kit Fixed VHF Handheld vhf HandheldGPS Spare batteries for handhelds Galley dish box Single burner stove and 2 quarts of alcohol 5 gallons of gas in 2 cans Quart of oil Group 24 battery 2 stage battery charger DC and AC panels 30' shore power cord 3 x 100' lines 2 x 50' lines Dock lines 2 x Inflatable life jackets and spare cylinders Binoculars Boat cleaning gear Main, genoa, working jib, storm jib, ass'y spinnaker Spin tack line and fittings Jib downhaul and fittings Added stainless latches on 2 cockpit lockers Traveller Additional tackle/lines for back stay adjuster and topping lift Stern swim ladder Adj OB mount SS Fish pole mount for trolling Plastic folding cockpit table Inflatable cockpit cushions Cockpit canopy Companionway and forward hatch mosquito nets (weighted hems)
Ugh!!! Make it stop! On second thought, no, it is all what we like to have aboard for safe sailing enjoyment while day sailing and independent cruising. Bring it on. Love sailing this boat.
Now, about the menu and personal gear for 2 weeks :)
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
Cambridge, ON
We did and were surprised.
Boat was loaded for a 2 week cruise. 5 gallons of gas, 24 cans of beer, 8 wine cartons, food for 2 people. All normal sailing gear, which for includes a 15lb claw, with 10 feet of chain, and a lighter Fortress, with same amount of chain. Lots of spare lines for tying into the coves of the North Channel. Two tool boxes, a spares box more than enough extra screws, bolts, nuts, blocks, shackles. Water not loaded and outboard in the back of the truck.
Bill
On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Alec McCandless <alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote: Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec