Right....sorry......I actually was wondering if the cockpit sole...the berth decks ....the cockpit benches....or whatever is a level reference. That way I can easily level the boat fore and aft on the trailer and try and have a reference starting point for mast rake. Rather than using a painted on water line that has been tweaked by PO's. I have new standing rig on the boat and am playing with rake. I reckon I have it too far right now but would like to try the recommended point. If the boat is not level....using the halyard method isn't going to work. Unless I am missing something.....then that would make an even dozen for today. Tim -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:38 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Level Reference Tim, I don't know what has been said by others, but you might borrow one of those inexpensive infrared thermometers and find where the temp changes on the hull. I do it to find the level of heating oil in my tank, but have not tried it myself on less conductive fiberglass. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Diebert Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:29 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: M_Boats: Level Reference I know it was asked but did not see a reply. Is there an area of the 17 hull that is a known level reference relative to water line? I don't always read all the emails......so if anyone got this one some help would be grand. Tim and PUFF _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1506 - Release Date: 6/17/2008 4:30 PM