The Smart Bottle looks interesting for maximizing available storage and minimizing waste. Any idea how long the water will stay fresh in these containers? I am planning a 30 day M15 cruise and am trying to provision for the entire trip. Storing 180 16 ounce water bottles takes a lot of space and leaves me with a bunch of empty bottles. Also, what do you have to do to reuse the Smart Bottle? Seems like some moisture will remain in the used bottle and over time will begin to grow bacteria.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: carlos navarro <chisailor1@gmail.com> Date: 4/1/19 11:42 AM (GMT-05:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK? another important factor, " rigging the oars"On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 2:03 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:> My guess on shoreside streams etc. is based on a friend's planning for a> Powell River to Prince Rupert kayak trip summer 2020 - he lives in> Powell River and knows the territory and has talked to more ardent> expeditioners and so far said it sounds like there is a fresh water> source at least every 2-3 days once you get north of any significant> human habitation.>> Food will be a bigger deal due to much less space in kayaks. He said> some people mail ahead boxes of supplies to the few places they can be> retrieved...>> For water storage - camping, paddling, sailing - I have recently tried> some Smart Bottles: https://smartbottleinc.com/>> These are quite nifty and sturdy and overall well designed. The 1 gallon> and 2.5 gallon sizes can be easily packed, stowed, lifted, depending on> space (e.g. kayak vs. M17 vs. car camping etc.). The spigots are nice.> They do stand or sit flat and stable on benches tables etc. and the> spigots work nice. I get one with a spigot and the rest with plain cap> since I only need spigot on one at a time.> And they lie flat or roll up taking very little space when empty.>> Simplest lightest water purification:> Six drops 2% tincture of iodine per quart/liter of water. Plastic> unbreakable eyedroppers easily available and a little bottle of 2%> tincture costs a couple bucks at drugstore and treats hundreds of gallons.> Give it at least 20 minutes contact time; 30+ if water is particularly> cold. Kills pretty much everything (including giardia and giardia cysts,> and tropical stuff too).> A pinch of vitamin C powder (or Emergen-C or similar) shaken/stirred in> AFTER the contact time neutralizes the slight iodine taste you'd> otherwise have.>> cheers,> John>> On 03/31/2019 02:17 PM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:> > Everything backpackers do is applicable to an M15... if you can find> freshwater occasionally on land you can filter it with a water purifier,> and use this along with freeze dried backpacking food. Freeze dried food is> around 1-2 pounds per day, so you could easily carry enough for a several> month trip on an M15.> >> > There are hand operated desalinators, but they are expensive and way too> much effort for the tiny amount of water they produce- under a liter for a> solid hour of pumping. If you can find reliable freshwater, a good> backpacking filter produces a liter from 30 seconds of pumping - 120 times> as fast as a desalinator. Carrying a week (~10 gallons) of water on an M15> is no problem. I like to use MSR Dromedary bags, which sit low in the bilge> and give you extra ballast, while conforming to whatever place you set them.> >> > Sincerely,> > Tyler> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com>> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 1:37:23 PM> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK?> >> > Does any M-boater know how an R2AK participant in a small boat such as> > an M-15 know how the competitors get enough food, water, and beer to> > complete the long journey from Port Townsend to Alaska?> > Thanx,> > Steve> > M-15 # 335> >>> --> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design> --------------------------------------------> - Eco-Living -> Whole Systems Design Services> People - Place - Learning - Integration> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334> http://eco-living.net> http://sociocracyconsulting.com>>