Your description makes perfect sense, Tom, and I'm picturing your rudder in my mind's-eye, I think I've seen one before, an older M17's, but it didn't "click" . . . So the old balanced rudders couldn't be raised? Oh, geez . . . Of COURSE I've seen one of the older rudders before . . . Bones!!! Tod, I'll send a couple pics off-list . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: 12-28 fasteners? You are correct Tod, our rudders differ. The leading edge of my rudder (and Larry Yake's too, but the way, and probably others of our vintage up to maybe late '76) drops straight down the transom, like yours, but rather than continuing to drop straight, at just below the waterline it angles 90 degrees forward and extends 4 or 5 inches under the skeg (so the rudder looks like an "L"). The width (fore/aft) of the rudder above the waterline is 7 or 8 inches, but it widens to approximately 12 or a bit more the remaining 30 inches or so to the bottom. Probably clear as mud. The original idea as Jerry has explained it to me was to help balance the helm. I'm sure it made fabricating the rudder more complicated too. Anyway, I think he went to the straight rudder after the mid-70s boats and never looked back... Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: htmills@bright.net [mailto:htmills@bright.net] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:07 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? I read your post and re-read it. And re-read it. Your rudder is different than Busca's it would seem. Busca's rudder slides up and down. Consequently it can't cut forward under the skeg.... http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BuscaTransom.JPG Am I missing something? The only gap I had to watch was to keep the rudder gudgeon centerline far enough forward that the transom gudgeon would clear the rudder when hard-over. Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Smith, Tom Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:15 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? Hey Jerry. I'm doing some work on the M17 rudder. Can you remember what the gap between where the rudder cuts forward under the skeg and the skeg itself should measure? I can see where the wider that gap is, the more turbulance will be created. This rudder's been damaged and I don't know how everything was set up originally, but it's about two inches right now... Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed
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