That looks great! Much simpler than trying to get the pivot point further outboard... I wonder how it affects things? I would imagine the main effect is less leverage/higher paddle speed, so it's like having a higher gear... but to a first approximation that could be compensated for with a smaller blade. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: "john" <john@eco-living.net>, "Don Bryson" <dbryson59@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 1:53:00 PM Subject: M_Boats: Re: human power, oars, paddles I think I posted this on Facebook a while back… I really like the rowing setup on my M15. Two-piece aluminum oars from Ocean South were inexpensive. The longest ones they sell are 9’ long but work well and are easy to stow below. I think I am able to row at 3kts in calm water. Don BrysonNanette (#639)Port Townsend, WA